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| Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 02:16 pm |
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cwgeneral Member
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I know there are problems because of the lighting strike but I am going through withdrawals also ..What civil war general shot and killed someone connected to the star spangled banner in front of the white house
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| Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 02:33 pm |
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64thNYDrummer Member
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Dan Sickles, I think a more interesting trival fact about the young man he shot, Phillip Keys, is the fact that the man he was named for, Phillip Barton Keys, was a loyalist who fought for the Brits in the Revolution. Dennis Conklin
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| Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 03:03 pm |
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Anonymous Member
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Daniel E. Sickles shot and killed Francis Scott Key's son, who was having an affair with Sickles' wife. He was defended in court by Edwin Stanton, who employed the 'temporary insanity' defense for the first time in U.S. legal history - and won.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 09:08 pm |
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Another question is what did Sickles do with his leg ?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 02:07 am |
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ashbel Member
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Sent it to the Smithsonian.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 03:19 am |
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OK, I'm in this "trivia in exile." This Union Major owned a famous business establishment in Washington. He was assigned as an aide to McDowell in April of 1862. He married a confederate spy for whom he was a military escort. Their son would be a politician and diplomat and their granddaughter would be the daughter-in-law-of a president. The business establishment still carries his family name. Name him.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 04:53 am |
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susansweet Member
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Not the right answer Ashbel
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| Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 05:03 am |
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susansweet Member
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Major Joseph Willard , Willard Hotel, granddaughter a Roosevelt
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| Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 11:17 am |
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PvtClewell Member 
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Re: Sickles. Like Ashbel, my first impulse was to say Smithsonian. Checked my notes from the Civil War Institute a couple years ago, which focused on Civil War medicine that year. If I read my notes correctly, I think Sickles sent his leg to the then newly created Amy Medical Museum, now the National Museum of Health and Medicine, which is where the remains of his leg are still on display. Sickles had a small coffin made for his leg. Ashbel's not far off, though. The Army Medical Museum was located on the mall, right next to the Smithsonian.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 11:28 am |
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PvtClewell Member
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Ha. Just out of curiosity, I checked the Willard Hotel for rates. I requested a single bed, senior citizens discount, for one night. It's $494.10. Sheesh. They better leave the light on for that money. Red Roof Inn looks pretty good to me now.  I wonder if they still have the guest register from the 1860s? We saw the Willard a few years ago on a John Wilkes Booth escape tour conducted by Ed Bearrs. Didn't have time to go inside, though. Plus, we were a pretty rough looking crew. None of us looked like we had $500 on us.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 01:24 pm |
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Don't feel bad, Pvt. Wife always wanted to see the Radio City Christmas Spectacular Show in NYC so we went last year. $1380 for two nights for two at the NY Hilton, $104 to park the car for two nights, $500 for 5 Show tickets, not to mention food and grog. We had a good time - once a fool, always a fool I reckon. Next time I'll take the bus. I im still paying off the bill. connyankee
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| Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 01:27 pm |
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susansweet Member
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Good job Pvt. AND he use to go visit the leg on a regular basis. Back in the mid 70's I went to Washington for the first time. My college friend that I was visiting in Virginia took me to breakfast at the Ebbets Bar and Grill where Daniel Webster had bellied up to the bar at one time or another . As we were wandering around town she pointed out an old building surrounded with fencing. "That's the Willard " she said . "Use to be a very famous hotel from the Civil War days " It looked very sad all closed down . The building that is on the site now is not the one Lincoln and Grant visited . This is the Willard that was build on the site of the orginal in 1904. Cosed in 1968 it didn't reopen til 1986.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 01:31 pm |
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susansweet Member
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Conyankee cancel my thoughts of ever seeing the Rockettes . I had also always wanted to see the show but at those prices I don't thinks so. I would also have to add plane fare from the West Coast . Too steep for me. Susan
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| Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 01:38 pm |
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Truth or Myth? I once read that Julia did not allow Grant to smoke cigars in the White House and that he'd go to the Willard lobby to smoke, where he was often entertained by those who offered up political favors, being known forever as "lobbyists." connyankee
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| Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 01:48 pm |
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susansweet Member
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Truth about the smoking in the lobby but I just read that the term lobby is a term that had been used for many years before this all happened. Like the term Hookers and Joe Hooker just seem to match up. Susan
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| Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 02:20 pm |
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ConnYankee, Also, in Smith's biography of Grant, there are several mentions of Grant smoking cigars in the White House. This one was the most interesting and it came after Pennsylvania Republicans endorsed Grant for a third term. Grant wanted no part of it: "Two days later Grant struck preemptively. Adjourning to his study after Sunday dinner, he composed a message that removed all doubt as to his intentions. Cabinet members were sent for surreptitiously, and quietly filed into the White House. Julia (from me: Julia loved being First Lady and would have loved another term) had no inkling of what was in store and was surprised at their arrival. 'Is there any news? Why is it you have all happened to call?' (Hamilton) Fish assured the first lady it was merely a coincidence. At that moment, Grant entered the reception room and Julia retired, 'seeing they were about to enjoy cigars.'" "...as the cabinet was leaving, Julia retured to the room. 'I want to know what is happening. I feel sure there is something and I must know.' 'Yes,' said Grant. 'I will explain as soon as I light my cigar.' The president stepped outside of the room, drew an envelope from his coat pocket, and gave it to a waiting messenger. Then he returned to Julia. 'You know what a to-do the papers have been making about the third term,' said Grant. 'Well, until now I have never had the opportunity of announcing that I do not wish a third term, and I have written a letter to that effect.' 'And why did you not read it to me?' 'Oh, I know you too well,' laughed Grant. 'It would never have gone if I had read it to you.' 'Will you bring it to me and read it now?' 'No,' the president replied. 'It is already posted. That is why I lingered in the hall to light my cigar, so the letter would be beyond recall.'"
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| Posted: Sat Apr 5th, 2008 07:03 pm |
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PvtClewell- It seems that after many years of marriage, Grant had learned that dealing with Julia required more subtlety than conducting military campaigns. 
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| Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 12:23 am |
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ole Member 
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Ulysses and Julia. Not exactly Romeo and Juliet, but a study in what could be called a better than typical marriage -- even today. Julia pretty much ruled the roost -- to a point. (Sound familiar?) Grant hated the very idea of slavery, but Julia kept as many as three with her until Grant's star began to shine nationally. When he was given command over all the armies, Julia's slaves disappeared. Grant missed her and the children terribly, to the point where they visited frequently, battlefield or not, and Grant kept his oldest boy with him through some gruesome campaigns. We know these things about him. And I have judged him to be as devoted a father and husband as possible under the circumstances and more. By the way, Enlisted Man Clewell, loved the story. Hadn't heard that one before, but it is illustrative of the balance they employed in their partnership. He could put his foot down if he were sneaky about it. ole
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| Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 01:04 am |
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Texas Defender Member
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ole- It sounds like you've learned a thing or two about leverage.
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