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| Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 01:02 pm |
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CleburneFan Member 
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PvtClewell wrote: CleburneFan wrote: A new version of "The Day the Earth Stood Still" is coming out soon. Jennifer Connelly and Keannu Reeves star. A trailer of the movie may be seen at You Tube. Just have to note in passing how much the "language" above resembles Kiswahili in especially the spelling and word structure. Last edited on Mon Nov 17th, 2008 01:05 pm by CleburneFan |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 02:04 pm |
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ashbel Member
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I would vote for the Gainesville, Texas hanging of 42 men in October of 1862. This was organized public murder on a mass scale.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 04:57 pm |
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ole Member 
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PvtClewell wrote: ole wrote: Lies! All lies! Ole
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 07:15 pm |
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David White Member 
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Looks like he's still using Santa Claus to me 
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 11:55 pm |
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ole Member
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Please keep the thread going, fellow freakazoids, I'm making a list of a lot of new things I need to look up; e.g., the Rape of Athens. Ole
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 12:05 am |
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Dixie Girl Southern Belle 
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hey ole, so its only in some pictures that you look like Colonel Sanders then??   Last edited on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 12:05 am by Dixie Girl ____________________ War Means Fighting And Fighting Means Killing - N. B. Forrest When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Stonewall Jackson |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 02:43 am |
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susansweet Member 
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The Roswell Women is another atrocity this time done by the Union. The women were doing military work but still. They were factory workers making uniforms. Another atrocity was loading all of those men on the Sultana, overloading it leading to the explosion and death of many men who had survived Southern Prison camps. In many ways that was the worst of the worst . The war was over they were going home. Susan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 02:58 am |
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The Iron Duke Member 
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I don't know if this counts as an atrocity but it certainly makes you question the noble romantic view of the war. http://www.historynet.com/immortal-600-prisoners-under-fire-at-charleston-harbor-during-the-american-civil-war.htm
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 03:48 am |
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ole Member
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hey ole, so its only in some pictures that you look like Colonel Sanders then?? Girl: It comes and goes. Right now it's growing and will likely do so until about June next year. Then it comes off until the fall. I only do it to irritate Dear One. I'd grow my hair longer, but it is very fine and is uncontrollable without axle grease, and I can only push things so far. So when it has irritated the both of us to a certain point, I get my summer cut: 1/2 inch. (That's my annual haircut.) Ole
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 03:52 am |
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ole Member
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I don't know if this counts as an atrocity but it certainly makes you question the noble romantic view of the war. One might chalk it up as such, but this thread specifically said civilian. Ole
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 04:08 am |
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The Iron Duke Member
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Regardless, it's an incident that should be added to your list.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 01:40 pm |
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ole Member
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Have added it right next to the Vicksburg Court House incident. Ole
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 03:31 pm |
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David White Member
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Vicksburg Court House incident ?
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 09:35 pm |
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Johan Steele Life NRA,SUVCW # 48,Legion 352 
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One thing that irritates me somewhat is the use of the term "Atrocity" at the drop of a hat. Frankly; when compared to those real atrocities of WW2... no atrocities happened in the Civil War. Nothing comes even close; and when compared to other conflicts across history the ACW is still grossly lacking of the brutalities that seem outright prevelant in such conflicts.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 12:54 am |
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Mr Hess53 Member 
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War is an atrocity
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 02:31 am |
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CleburneFan Member
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Johan Steele wrote: One thing that irritates me somewhat is the use of the term "Atrocity" at the drop of a hat. Frankly; when compared to those real atrocities of WW2... no atrocities happened in the Civil War. Nothing comes even close; and when compared to other conflicts across history the ACW is still grossly lacking of the brutalities that seem outright prevelant in such conflicts. The atrocities that have taken place in several countries in Africa since the early 1970s and accelerating up to today are the worst of all time for sheer brutality and unimgainable numbers of men, women and children involved. Worse, there appears to be no let up and no solution. Last edited on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 02:32 am by CleburneFan |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 03:55 pm |
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CleburneFan Member
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I don't know all the rules of engagement that applied during the Civil War, but am asking---not argung---the Charleston 600 as POWS were non-combatants, but were they classified as civilians? Does a POW automatically become a civilian or does he enter a kind of limbo between civilian and active duty military and if is the latter case, what rules of engagement apply to him? Sherman also ran into a similar situation with Confederate POWS outside Savannah in 1864 when he employed them to find and disarm land mines laid by Hardee's forces. This is also a question about civilian staus of the returning ex- POWS returning to their homes on the Sultana. Were they, in fact, civilians at the time of the explosion or were they still military?
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 06:06 pm |
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susansweet Member
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Fan when I posted the Sultana explosion I wasn't thinking it was Civilian atrocities that had been posted. But I think they were headed home so they would have been Civilian soon if not already . I just think it is one of those little known stories that got lost due to timing .
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 08:48 pm |
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calcav1 Member
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The men aboard the Sultana had not been mustered out and were still active duty soldiers when the explosion occured. I had the pleasure of hearing Ed Bearss give a talk on the incident. One of the Federal officers sent to the City Jail in Charleston was Major General George Stoneman. The chaplain of the 2nd Massachusetts Cavalry, Charles A. Humphreys, was among 300 hundred held in the jail under the fire of Union guns, along with his Major, William H. Forbes, the first president of AT&T. Chaplain Humphreys gives a stirring account of his imprisonment in his memoir In Field, Camp, Hospital and Prison in the Civil War 1863-1865. Portal to Hell:Military Prisons of the Civil War by Lonnie Speer has a good account of both sides of the Immortal 600. Lt. William Glazier of the 26th NY Cavalry wrote of the Charleston jail, "The prisoners constantly wear a forlorn and haggard look owing in great measure to starvation and exposure to danger...Constantly under fire by day and night...many have become hopelessly insane while others have been incapacitated for all the duties of life hereafter. Tom
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20th, 2008 02:55 pm |
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HankC Member 
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Obviously(?), the Sultana was an accident rather than an atrocity...
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