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 Posted: Wed Apr 15th, 2009 08:00 pm
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So I live in the south, and I am aware of its intolerant history in many aspects, but it is hard for me to accept that the South was soley fighting to preserve slavery. I understand racism and slavery were and still are wrong, but were there not some Confederates who wanted to have an idealistic southern republic to fight the corrupt Federal government, or am I just trying to make a flawed cause seem more heroic than it is portrayed by our history books?



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The irony in your question is that there wasn't much of a Federal Govt that could be called corrupt and what was was in many ways dominated by Southern interests. If you look at the decleration of causes published by various CS states slavery is mentioned prominently in each. the men of the day knew what they were fighting for... Sam Watkins to just name one made it quite clear.

Did every southerner in the ranks fight for slavery? Absolutely not; but those that sent them certainly were.

The term "South" and "North" in reference to the ACW is a misnomer. Roughly 250,000 southerners served in the ranks of the US. And northerners, perhaps as many as 50k, fought in the ranks of the CS.



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Consider the Federal response, in Lincoln's words, to the opening of hostilities started by South Carolina's firing on Ft. Sumpter. The reason given in the proclaimation was the inability to collect duties due the Federal govenment due to secession.
Six days prior to the opening of hostilities Secretary of War Cameron sent the following instructions to Captain V. Fox, commander of the task force formed to relieve the Federal garrison at Ft. Sumter.:

War Department, Washington, April 6th, 1861
Sir- It having been decided to succor Fort Sumter, you have been selected for this important duty. Accordingly, you will take charge of the transports in New York, having the troops and supplies on board, to the port of Charleston harbor, and endeavor, in the first instance, to deliver the subsistence. If you are opposed in this, you are directed to report the fact to the senior naval officer of the harbor, who will be instructed by the Secretary of the Navy to use his entire force to open a passage, when you will, if possible, effect an entrance, and place both the troops and supplies in Fort Sumter.
Iam,sir,etc. Simon Cameron, Sec. of War

War it was. The importance of the slavery issue, always the key point of the conflict to the Abolishonist faction,only took on paramount importance as the Federal military began to run into manpower shortages and enquiries from front line commanders began to pile up requesting advice as to what to do with the former slaves that were within the areas of their command in the South.

Fully one quarter of the population of the South were for a maintainance of the Union.

One can debate the right or wrong of the causes forever. A writer name of F.C. Bradlee penned the following words regarding the contest.: "It is inconceivable that intelligent men charged with the conduct of public affairs would have plunged their States, unprepared, into so unequal a war. However well assured they may have been of the right of a State to withdraw from the Union, or however strong may have been their convictions that seperation from the Northern States would contribute greatly to the prosperity and happiness of their own States, they would surely have deferred the practical assertion of the right of secession until some adequate preparation had been made for the maintainance of their independence.The South had no navy and almost no means of building one up of sufficient strength in time to be of any avail in the defence of hundreds of miles of seacoast- a seacoast which was practically undefended, and, therefore, at the mercy of a hostile naval power. Thus the capture, in November, 1861, of Port Royal, South Carolina, by the land and naval forces of the United States, commanded respectively by General Burnside and Flag Officer Du Pont, was a most serious blow to the Southern Confederacy."



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interesting. very interesting.



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"I'd rather every one of my children should be laid out on the cooling board, than to have the Yankees get my slaves."

Georgia mother of four, as recounted by "Miss Abby," an Atlanta schoolteacher, May 30, 1864.



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"You slaveholders have lived so long on your plantations with no one to gainsay you and the negroes only look up and worship you that you expect to govern everybody & have it all your own way."

Frances Edmonston to her father and brothers, noted in her sister Charlotte's diary, November 16, 1860.



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Slavery is a divine institution.
So is hell!

Ralph Waldo Emerson October 1862



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Please delete, consolidating as per Javal.

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"What a stupendous, what an incomprehensible machine is man,--who can endure toil, famine, stripes, imprisonment, and death itself, in vindication of his own liberty, and, in the next moment, be deaf to all those motives whose power supported him through his trial, and inflict on his fellow-men a bondage one hour of which is fraught with more misery than ages of that which he rose in rebellion to oppose!"

Thomas Jefferson, 1786.

"When any one State in the American Union refuses obedience to the Confederation by which they have bound themselves, the rest have a natural right to compel obedience."

Thomas Jefferson, Writings, Vol. XVII

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"The triumph of the Confederacy would be a victory of the powers of evil which would give courage to the enemies of progress and damp the spirits of friends all over the civilized world. The American Civil War is destined to be a turning point, for good or evil, of the course of human affairs."

English philosopher John Sturat Mill.



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"...the only war in modern times as to which we can be sure, first, that no skill or patience of diplomacy would have avoided it; and second, that preservation of the American Union and abolition of negro slavery were two vast triumphs of good by which even the inferno of war was justified." Viscount John Morley



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"It is very certain that the immediate cause of the political agitation which culminated in the dissolution of the Union was the institution of slavery. There can be no doubt,that the Southern people were fighting to maintain slavery or prevent its overthrow by the hands of their enemies." Colonel Charles Marshall



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"When the people of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, seceded from the Union of the United States, they put forth in justification of their course, as its proximate or immediate cause, the various acts of the people of the Northern States, interfering with their institution of slavery..."

(Robert Barnwell Rhett, in a public letter to former governor of South Carolina, William Aiken, Nov. 19, 1864.)



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"Try and hide it as much as we may, yet the question of negro slavery was the great leading cause of this war, and but for it we would have been recognized long ago by foreign powers, but in that particular the world is against us, and so we will remain until this war shall have placed it upon a basis too firm to be questioned."

(A nonslaveholder in Georgia, writing as "Sydney," Macon Telegraph and Confederate, Nov. 19, 1864.)



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"...any man who pretends to believe that this is not a war for the emancipation of the blacks...is either a fool or a liar."

(From The Vidette, Nov. 2, 1862, unit newspaper of Morgan's Confederate Brigade, Nov. 2, 1862.)



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"...the mere agitation in the Northern States to effect the emancipation of our slaves largely contributed to our separation from them."

(Charleston Mercury, Nov. 3, 1864.)



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"Slavery, God's institution of labor, and the primary political element of our Confederation of Government, state sovereignty...must stand or fall together. To talk of maintaining our independence while we abolish slavery is simply to talk folly."

(Charleston Courier, Jan. 24, 1865.)



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"The cause of the great War of the Rebellion against the United States will have to be attributed to slavery." Grant



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In a recent battle fell a secession colonel, the last remaining son of his mother, and she a widow. That mother had sold eleven children of an old slave mother, her servant.

That servant went to her and said,

"Missis, we even now. You sold all my children. God took all yourn. Not one to bury either of us. Now I forgive you."

--Atlantic Monthly, January 1863.



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Please delete, consolidating as per javal.

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