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| Posted: Thu Jul 19th, 2007 07:19 pm |
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younglobo
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Cleburn..
"The Late unpleasantness " wouldn't work for me that sounds like I had a fight with my wife or something. War is FAR worse than unpleasant .
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Bama46
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This is way too good a thread to let it die a natural death...so I will throw my 2 cents in..
Prior to the centennial, there were many regional names for the war, all pretty much recognized by everyone. At the time of the centennial, the feds wanting, as the feds always do, to catagorize and pigeonhole the war in its proper place, by its proper name decreed that in the interests of beaurocracy (thank you Gen Jackson) or somesuch, now and forever more they would call it the CW. Now who can argue with a fed?
Ed
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Bama46
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and we all know the correct name was the War to Prevent Southern Independence!
Ok boys have at it! Let the howling begin
Ed
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Bob
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After reading many Georgia newspapers of the era (1860-1865) I was somewhat surprised to discover that the editors of said papers called the conflict a civil war. If the people who actually lived through it called it a civil war, who am I to argue with them.
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PvtClewell
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No less than Robert E. Lee called it a civil war.
Wow. Some threads never die.
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JoanieReb
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and we all know the correct name was the War to Prevent Southern Independence!
Ok boys have at it! Let the howling begin
The boys can howl. Me, I a'gonna incorporate it into my vocabulary, use it on a regular basis....
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ole
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I'm quite content to leave it as the US Civil War -- never mind that it it quite difficult to justify calling it a civil war.
I'll even leave it at the War Between the States. Call it whatever you want. I'll stick with USCW or WBTs.
ole
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BigPowell
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How about "the First Civil War?" Should be a real conversation starter, and might make you a "person of interest" to certain government agencies.
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JoanieReb
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"Wow. Some threads never die."
Whaddaya complaining about, Pvt.Clewell - you started this thread, perhaps you should be pleased that your thread-child is showing signs of imortality.
Anyway, 1 more post and it will tie the latest NASCAR thread in # of posts; it presently surpasses in # of views.
Hey, if you can beat out a NASCAR post in interest, you're doing something right!
"How about "the First Civil War?" Should be a real conversation starter, and might make you a "person of interest" to certain government agencies."
Hee-hee-hee-haw-hawww - hurts to laugh, but I just cain't help it....
Last edited on Tue Dec 4th, 2007 01:11 am by JoanieReb
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39th Miss. Walker
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As I grew up it was generally called the "War Between the States". Only in school was it called the Civil War.
I have friends and customers that refuse to call it the Civil War. In most meetings with the SCV they refuse to call it the Civil War.
I think most comes from the failed doctrine of the "Lost Cause".
That being said we recently had a number of meetings here in SC concerning the upcoming sesquicentennial and at each meeting the State organizer said we will refer to it as the Civil War as that is the common name for the war and Federal money is tied to the name the Civil War, not any other name. If we were to use another name possible Federal funding could be in jeopardy.
In addition today we now have a much greater understanding and empathy for the black story during the war. So the name Civil War is relatively neutral and when one speaks of the war everyone know what we are speaking about.
It's funny how we get so hung up on names even when the debate within, about the name, is detrimental to the historical study.
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JoanieReb
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Very much liked your post, 39th.
After this thread took off, I changed from using "TWBTS" to "CW" on this and every other board I post to. It seemed that having a concencus name was the right thing to do and took a bit of bias out of the posts. (And they think that I am unreconstructable!  )
I still like to raise a little H*** in my personal discussions here in the great white north; cain't wait to employ Bama's "War to Prevent Southern Independence".
But, anyway, good post! Thanks.
JR
Last edited on Wed Dec 5th, 2007 02:24 am by JoanieReb
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ole
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When I grew up, it was the "Civil War." There was no WBTS no War of Northern Agression, no War of the Rebellion. We are talking about the same war, aren't we? Name it whatever you'd like; it doesn't change a thing. There was a war. It was a vicious war. And somewhere close to 620,000 boys and men died before it was ended. Why?
Scuzzi! I thought I heard an excuse or two. If a meadow vole f*rts, does a tree fall down?
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Texas Defender
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Ole-
620,000 killed in our war is a huge number, but the total number of humans killed in wars in the 19th Century was small compared to the 170 million killed in the 20th Century.
Are we humans more: "enlightened" in the 21st century? Apparently, we are not. And you ask: "Why?" My answer is: "Because thats the way it has always been." There are just a lot more humans around than there has ever been before. We do things on a larger scale these days.
My apologies to all who might be offended by my Machiavellian "bias." 
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JoanieReb
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Still flu-ridden, Ole,
And thus having a hard time responding to things as well as I'd like to.
I have been trying to find a very brief essay, circa 2000, entitled, "How Can I Celebrate Our Dead" by a South Carolinian Woman whom refused to lay wreaths on her Southern CW ancestors' graves. It was about 4 paragraphs long, and one whole paragraph negatively referenced The South's insistance on using names other than " The Civil War".
After reading it, I consciously chose to always say TWBTS, it hurt me that bad.
Yes, you grew up in The North, where it was ALWAYS The Civil War in your lifetime.
It was a concession to me to start using CW here and on the other threads....Last edited on Wed Dec 5th, 2007 05:42 am by JoanieReb
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39th Miss. Walker
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The proper name for the vehicle is the automobile. The common name is car. Car is generic and everyone knows what you are talking about. Don't have a clue what car stands for or how it came into being.
Ole, I grew up in the South. My mother was non-political and a real kind gentle woman. However in our house you didn't mention Sherman's name or sing the Battle Hymn of the Republic! It was referred to as the War Between the States. Not as a political or revisionist name but as a casual title. I don't think a "formal" title was ever bestowed, so what ever one is comfortable with will do but everyone knows what the Civil War means.
Funny even some CW re-enactors I know refer to themselves as Civil War re-enactors but refuse to call it the Civil War. Go figure.
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Bama46
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39th...
I wonder if we grew up in the same household?
That is precicely the way it was in my grandmother's home.. also a delightful southern lady in every sense of the word.
I grew up in North Alabama, she in south Alabama..one could make the case that they were two seperate states. Most definately two seperate eras..
Ed
PS, now most of the other euphenisims for the CW are said, I believe, tounge firmly in cheek... because it continues to get a rise outta yankees who are generally awfully smug in their certain righteouness (SP! Thanks Gen Jackson!)
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16th, 2008 03:42 am |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16th, 2008 05:21 pm |
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Rebel Yell
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How about "American Revolution 2.0"? (Only kidding). I grew up hearing on the term"civil war" for the conflict, so it has become habit for me to use that term. However, I feel that "The War Between The States" is a bit more "accurate".
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16th, 2008 05:27 pm |
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