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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 01:10 am |
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Doc C Member 
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John Calvin was one of the important founders of the protestant faith. It would be too exasperating and I would probably be incorrect in my brief definition of him and his thesis to attempt a meaningful discourse, thus I suggest you read more scholarly treatises on him and his theological theory. Doc C Last edited on Wed Feb 20th, 2008 01:13 am by Doc C |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 01:30 am |
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ashbel Member
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Doc I think my definition of "good people" is much like yours. All of the monikers you use could be good people. The good ones are the ones that do good deeds and are kind, thoughtful, considerate, honest, helpful and generous - no matter what their religious preference. I have been in business for the past 35 years. One of my rules is that I do not trust people with my money who wear their religion as a badge of honor. I have been burned too many times by the "true believers" who were not good people. I am happy to say no one fits that description on this Board. All of these responses have been from the heart and solicited. One should be most wary of those that give the unsolicited professions of faith.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 01:35 am |
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Dixie Girl Southern Belle 
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i agree. you shouldnt say you belong to a faith and then not care a thing about it. im a Christian thats my faith. its what i believe
____________________ War Means Fighting And Fighting Means Killing - N. B. Forrest When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Stonewall Jackson |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 12:48 pm |
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Albert Sailhorst Member 
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Good deeds alone won't get a person to Heaven: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” -Ephesians 2:8,9 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. “ -John 3:16 Earlier, I said my faith was simple; I beleive the 2 above quotes show why. Just two more cents of mine......!!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 01:26 pm |
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ashbel Member
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And, Albert, I would defend to the end your right to believe as you do.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 02:18 pm |
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Albert Sailhorst Member
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Thanks, Ashbel!!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 02:22 pm |
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Doc C wrote: Question - a bad believer will go to heaven whereas a good non-believer won't??? Had this discussion a while back with my brothers baptist preacher father in law. IMHO, just believing doesn't insure you an entrance to the here after, but as Jesus taught us good deeds and how we treat our fellow human beings does, irregardless of your religious beliefs - christian, budhist, hindu, muslem. Just my typical ranting. DOC .. once you accept Christ as your personal savior , you go to heaven , if you dont you go to Hell , that is what I believe as a southern baptist. I must humbly disagree with your view of Jesus teachings. JOHN 14:6 Jesus replied, 1 “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. 2 No one comes to the Father except through me. In this verse and the previous ones Jesus is telling his disciples where he is going and how to get there. I dont read anything about being a good person and getting there .
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 02:40 pm |
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younglobo Member
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Ashbel .. No one is perfect Romans 3:23 "all have sinned an fall short of the glory of God" No one is perfect not even the "true Believer" that you discuss, that is why God sent Jesus Christ to die for our sins. I do agree with you that thier are alot of people that like to talk the talk but not walk the walk and that is unfortunate it gives all believers a bad name. But we all make mistakes none of us are perfect God refers to David as man after Gods own heart and if your read on him he was far from perfect. Will never have perfection till we get to heaven . There was only one perfect man that walked this earth and I an't him.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 04:31 pm |
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David White Member 
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Doc: Good People = Aggies I forgot that one important requirement to be saved; all others will burn with unquenchable fires, especially those damned old teasips  Dixie Girl: Why would a loving God, who died for us, condemn people for eternity just by the circumstances of their birth? How can a true believer not perform good works? I would challenge anyone's belief, if they did not live that belief in their actions. Belief without good works is like words with no action to back them up. The former without the latter in both cases is a facade. I'm also interested in your view on good works helping you on judgment day but not saving you, will the fires of hell be turned down a few degrees for a do gooder versus the cretins or what are you implying?
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 06:09 pm |
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Dixie Girl Southern Belle
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a true believer can perform good works, but good works alone will NOT get you into heaven. when all you are judged on judgement day and everything is revealed your good works will also be revealed, along with your sins. no the fire will not be turned down. like i said just performing good deeds alone is not going to do anything for you. it will make you look better in the end, but if you dont serve God its pretty much worthless.
____________________ War Means Fighting And Fighting Means Killing - N. B. Forrest When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Stonewall Jackson |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 08:07 pm |
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Doc C Member
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I would presume those who participated in the inquisitions, true believers, were good people. David, by your definition, good people = aggies, I'm only 1/2 good, being that my dad was a CT. Doc C
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 08:30 pm |
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Reb till death Member 
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Amen Ole!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 10:09 pm |
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David White Member
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DG: So ultimately there is no advantage in "looking better at the end" versus living a life of sin every day of your life if you are not a believer? Isn't "serving God" doing good works? If not what is "serving God?"
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 10:18 pm |
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Doc C Member
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If I'm not mistaken their were not any Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Mormans, etc. during the time of Jesus. Don't quote me lines from a book written by jewish followers of Jesus huddled in caves hiding from the Romans or their Jewish brethren years after his death. Religion, more specifically spirtuallity, is extremely personal to me. I will never attempt to say who is worthy of life in the hereafter, there is only one who has that distinction. Years ago, my father in law gave me some good advice, DON'T DISCUSS RELIGION, POLITICS, MONEY. I hereby resign from this discussion. Doc C Last edited on Wed Feb 20th, 2008 10:19 pm by Doc C |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 10:30 pm |
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ashbel Member
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Well said, Doc! I respect others rights to believe whatever they want as long as it does not infringe upon my rights. I would hope others would do the same for me. Count me out too.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2008 10:51 pm |
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javal1 Grumpy Geezer 
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That is the way I love to see controversial topics end, and Bravo to all for keeping it civil. Booklover had the guts to raise valid questions on a potentialy explosive subject. Those who disagreed calmly stated their case. Nobody expected to change anyone's mind, and that's OK. There comes a time when your case has been stated, and right or wrong, farther debate does little good. Good job to all....
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 01:48 am |
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Well, as I started this, I have to say that I too have said all I need to say on the topic. And Joe is right. I doubt any minds were changed, nor was that my reason for starting this. I wanted to hear what others who have beliefs other than my own had to say. They said it, very well I might add. Thank you to all who participated. Best Rob
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 01:53 am |
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Dixie Girl Southern Belle
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thank you Javal. we do try to keep things as civilized as possible.
____________________ War Means Fighting And Fighting Means Killing - N. B. Forrest When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Stonewall Jackson |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 02:32 am |
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Reb till death Member
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what would happen if the south won
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