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| Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 01:29 am |
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hardy545 Member
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Here is a link which defends his decsion . Interesting, short read. I still contend he should have been court martialed for disobeying orders that jeopardized "The Rest" of the AoP . http://polyticks.com/Hole/Teaser.htm Last edited on Thu Sep 18th, 2008 01:39 am by hardy545 |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 01:58 am |
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pamc153PA Member
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Ah, Crazy D, don't get me started on Barlow and the 11th Corps, not with the 153PA being my soft spot. I suspect that one thing Barlow had going for him was that he, and just about everyone else, could point the finger at those damn Dutchmen, who were cowards at Chancellorsville, and showed they were so again at Gettysburg--so went the feelings of the nation at that time about the German immigrants. So all Barlow had to do was say, "See, it wasn't me, they just don't listen and they don't fight," and everyone--this not being the PC present time--goes, "True, very true." And Barlow can pawn his own mistakes and prejudices off and cover his behind. Sickles was a good spin doctor, but he didn't have a basically unliked and unsupported immigrant population to dump on like Barlow did. Whew! See what happens when you mention Barlow to me??  Pam
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 02:53 am |
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Crazy Delawares Member 
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I feel your rage, Pam! I feel your rage!
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 11:06 am |
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gettysburgerrn Member 
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I agree Pam and just based on the 11th corps experience at Chancellorsville that tainted them in the eyes of many. Barlow was then looking like the savior trying to stop the evil rebel hordes when his troops ran he didnt have 2nd corps, and 5th corps , and unlimited artillery, to back him up). That whole myth with him and Gordon helped him too no doubt.. ken
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 01:47 pm |
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j harold 587 Member
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Having recently completed The First Day by Phantz I got the impression that though Barlow was wrong to deploy on the high ground (as was Sickles) the eleventh Corps was basiclly over run by superior numbers. Do I need to take another look? Just when I thought I was getting a good handle on that action.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 04:00 pm |
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PvtClewell Member 
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j harold I believe your initial impression is correct. This summer our little group had an LBG tour of the 11th Corps, and our guide suggested that Barlow would have been better served maintaining a line closer to town, and specifically, nearer the Almshouse complex. I also found out, Pam and Joe, that the 153rd PA actually had skirmishers on the west bank of Rock Creek when Early's Division came thundering upon Blocher's Knoll. Gordon's brigade hammered the 11th Corps' unanchored and unprotected right flank. If you look at the map on page 233 of Pfanz' book, you can see that Hays and Avery brigades had an unopposed wide open lane toward Gettysburg. Little wonder the 11th Corps crumpled. They did OK on East Cemetery Hill the next day, though. At least, that's how I see it.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 01:00 am |
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Crazy Delawares Member
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I believe you're dead on, Private!
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 03:46 pm |
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gettysburgerrn Member
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Basically the 11th corps was put in an untenable position, that would have been untenable for any troops. Early's men crashed down from a perfect position. The almshouse position was better but not an enviable position either...the position was commanded by the Bloecher's knoll position but more compact and with a somewhat less exposed flank. One must also consider the withdrawal of Devin's cavalry brigade which was covering that flank (I think) and I would imagine knew of the approach of Early's division. What the authorities that recieved any reports did with that information I am not sure of ...just a thought... BTW Doles' handling of his brigade was masterful in defeating other elements of 11th corps.. ken
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