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| Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 09:12 pm |
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susansweet
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I have been to several presidential libraries across the US. To me they are all important either political party .
The first one I went to was the Kennedy Library in Boston . I went way back in the 70's the first time and then again two years ago. I was a teenager when he was elected president and the Convention was here in Southern California so many things were so familar . I think each library has a recreation of that's president's oval office. This one has the rocking chair and the coconut with the message craved on it from the PT109 days.
The most moving section is the room with little in it. There is a Kennedy quote on the wall a huge American Flag hanging from the high ceiling and a huge Glass wall facing the bay. Outside on a strip of green is a small sailboat on it's side like it is ready to be put in the water just waiting for Kennedy to come out and lanch it. I cried the first time I was there in that room. I cried again this last visit.
The Jimmy Carter Museum in Atlanta is also an interesting museum. His Nobel Prize medal is on display as is his sweater he wore in the White House.
The Nixon Library is here in Southern California in Yorba Linda. I have been there twice . The first time was to listen to the author of Team of Rivals speak. Shes spoke in a replica of the East Wing . I felt I was in the White House.
They also have a train exhibit each Christmas. Two years ago my friends and I went up to see the trains. All kinds of model trains displayed. I am thinking this next year I need to go again . Last time the bookstore had a sale on books . You know I loaded up.
I have not been to the Regan library yet but I have heard great things about it and it is on my list to visit since it is here in Southern California too,.
Susan
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 12:04 am |
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Susan,
Here in the Land 0 Lincoln, we have Disney North. I do not mean disrespect, but I grow weary of Lincoln and the Diety he has become. Criticism of the man is NOT allowed.
The museum is very nicely done, and uses 21st century technology to tell the story. We are given the opportunity to see a battle scene, then the seats shake, cannon smoke is everywhere, the noise is deafening..it really is Disney at its best. Disney designed a lot of it.
In another exhibit, The Ghost of The Library, we are treated to acting and animation in a facinating way..I will not spoil the plot...come see it for yourself...the Young Lincoln exhibit is every stereotype you have ever read about learning by firelight. One of the best exhibits is the White House kitchen...a subject most don't think about, but the very best is the casket scene...YOu actually believe you are in the presence of the body. People get very quiet, talk is hushed, just like at a wake...darndest thing you ever saw.
One thing I disagree with very much is that they have Booth dressed in a long Gray coat.. the subtle statement is that he was a confederate and that is simply not true... question them about it and the answer is "it is just a gray coat" (wink..wink)...that burns my Bu**
the treatment of the war is pretty good...they have a map that shows the war in 2 minutes or so and a TV newscast with Tim Russert describing the 1860 candidates much like it was 2008... war is predicted...
Ed
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 12:41 am |
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susansweet
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Ed, Having grown up in the Land of the Mouse I have visited Meet Mr. Lincoln many times. The first time I remember how eerie it was to all of a sudden have this figure stand up and start to move and talk.
I have heard the museum is amazing the way it is put together . I have wanted to come see it . I visted may Lincoln sites as a 3rd grader when we visited my father's cousin in Springfield. My Dad's cousin's husband took us around to as I have always said , everywhere Lincoln spit. I think New Salem was my favorite place although the barrel shaped outhouse seats at Lincoln's home were a big hit with me . I was told it was so the ladies hoops would fit over them. Interesting what a third grader remembers. That and the living room is all I remember at all of the house . This was before the National Park took it over.
I think the thing most people don't seem to remember, Ed, is that Lincoln and Davis both were just men, doing their jobs the best they could . It is hard with our 21st century thinking to understand some of what they did. We would have to think like 19th century people to do so.
Susan
That said putting on the Union side of me and headed to Union Daughters meeting . So hard to be half and half.
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 05:36 am |
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booklover
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Ed,
Believe it or not, I have to disagree with you on one thing. Booth was a Confederate. Otherwise, his shooting Lincoln made no sense. Lincoln turned Booth's world upside down. In Booth's mind, Lincoln ruined everything Booth (and the South) stood for. When Booth died, he told Everton Conger "tell mother I die for my country." His "country" was the Confederate South. Sorry, but Booth was a Confederate.
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Rob
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 06:05 am |
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ole
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One thing I disagree with very much is that they have Booth dressed in a long Gray coat.. the subtle statement is that he was a confederate and that is simply not true... question them about it and the answer is "it is just a gray coat" (wink..wink)...that burns my Bu**
The lines between which you read, Bama, must be be very wide. The long coat was very much in style. They were black or grey. There might have been some browns or navy blues among them. That Booth was wearing grey means nothing. If it had been a Confederate officer's frock coat, I might agree with you., but grey was as common as black. Would it have made a difference if he were portrayed in a long black coat?
With the idea that he was dressed in a long grey coat strikes me as straining at a gnat. Booth would be Booth in any other color. Find something else to object to.
ole
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 09:06 am |
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 01:22 pm |
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Bama46
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Ole,
If other colors were prevelent, why not use one? Several people who had visited the museum remarked that booth was dressed "in Uniform". This prompted a return visit to see for myself as I had not remembered one way or the other. Of course, the fact that folks can't tell the difference is interesting, but another subject... however I think that is significant.
booklover... There has never been any connection between Booth and the Confederate States of America other than he was a sympathiser (thank you Gen Jackson). He was not a soldier, a member of any governing body, and If memory serves, not even particularily a citizen, having lived I believe in Maryland. for example, I may sympathize with the Irish, but that does not make me an Irishman.
Ed
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 02:18 pm |
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Conversations like this I find stimulating - much more so than $600 that was probably put in somebody else's account.
What I find interesting is that I always believed Booth to be a Confederate. I'm trying to remember if I ever heard an argument to the contrary. Thanks, Bama, for the point of view. However, I'm Irish, and I don't ever remember making that choice. I do remember making choices as to my political convictions.
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 03:48 pm |
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booklover
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Well Ed, just how do you define a Confederate? Just because Booth never served in the government nor the military doesn't mean he didn't consider himself a Confederate. And just how does being a "sympathizer" divorce one from the cause?
Booth, according to his sister, Asia, once burst out "So help me holy God! my soul, life, and possessions are for the South." Asia asked him if that was true, why didn't he fight? Booth replied "I have only one arm to give," he replied, "my brains are worth twenty men, my money worth an [sic] hundred. I have free pass everywhere, my profession, my name, is my passport." Booth worked for the Confederacy spying and running quinine South. Asia remarked "I knew that he was today what he had been since childhood, an ardent lover of the South and her policy, an upholder of Southern principles. He was a man so single in his devotion, so unswerving in his principles, that he would yield everything for the cause he espoused."
Like it or not, Ed, he was a Confederate.
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Rob
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 04:01 pm |
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Bama46
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Well Rob,
Onceagain we are going to have to disagree...
How do you define American? Does one who lives in South America but displays all the attributes you give Booth become sort of an "honorary" American?...or does actually living in the country count for something? Perhaps defending the country. becoming a citizen?...
You may think what you will, but Booth sas NOT a confederate.
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 04:16 pm |
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booklover
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Accepting that we will disagree, do you then mean that everyone who lived in Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri and Delaware, and who supported the aims of the Confederacy, but didn't actually fight, were not Confederates? If you do, I would imagine they would disagree with you as well.
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Rob
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 04:21 pm |
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Texas Defender
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I guess the Unionists in places like North Carolina and Eastern Tennessee would have to have been considered to be: "yankees," or at least "federals." Last edited on Fri May 16th, 2008 04:25 pm by Texas Defender
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 06:18 pm |
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Booklover,
No one has ever suggested that Booth was anything but a Confederate Sympathizer. I have been studying this war since I was in grade school and NEVER have I heard ANYONE put forth your argument. I believe you are trying to make a backdoor accusation that the Confederacy was complicit in the death of Lincoln and there is ABSOLUTELY no proof of that.
On this we more than disagree
Ed
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 06:33 pm |
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booklover
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Ed,
Read Come Retribution by William Tidwell, James O. Hall and David Gaddy or Blood on the Moon by Ed Steers. All believe in some Confederate involvement.
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Rob
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 06:52 pm |
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Bama46
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Aaaahh....the operative word "Believe"
Well I "beleive" I will have a bourbon and a cigar
someone said that if 25 million people "believe" a duck is a horse, nothing has changed. It continues to quack and you still can't ride it.
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 07:04 pm |
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Texas Defender
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Bama-
There will always be those who try to twist the facts to support their conspiracy theories. A good example of that is the fact that many people continue to believe that 911 was an: "inside job."
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 07:14 pm |
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Bama46
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You mean it WASN"T? LOL
It is interesting that Captain Wirtz went to the gallows refusing to dishonor himself by lying and naming Lee and Davis as "Conspirators" in the asassination as requested by the Radical Republicans.
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 09:06 pm |
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Bama46
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Susan,
You made reference to the Lincoln Home area and visiting before the NPS took it over. They have really done a nice job with it. In addition to maintaining the house, they have restored all the houses in the neighborhood to the point that if "ole Abe" were to come back and stroll down the street, he would be right at home. It really is the "Lincoln Neighborhood" ( about 4 blocks) instead of just the Lincoln home now.
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 09:17 pm |
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susansweet
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Okay I need a new car , gas money and hotel money and I would be there in a minute. Just when I retire the price of gas started to climb. I feel lucky I got at least two cross country trips in and one north south trip on the west coast . I WAS planning on doing it every summer for a long while. Then the Oil prices jumped. Didn't help that the inexpensive hotels are disappearing quickly too. Those wonderful old drive up and park in front of your room. No fancy stuff , just a room and a bathroom. Only other thing I would need is internet access lol.
oh well glad my parents go to do the cross country trip seven times before they had to stop. Was hoping that would be me too.
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| Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 02:03 am |
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ole
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A little sanity here. Booth was a Confederate in his belief. That doesn't make him a tool of the government. There was a time that he worked with CSA operatives, but I've seen no evidence that, in the assasination, he was still in the same relationship. It is "possible," but I've seen no convincing evidence that it was "probable."
My conclusion is that he was a bit over-awed with the possibility of becoming a Confederate hero, and acted on that perception. Just a loony with a delusion. But Confederate? Undoubtedly.
ole
Just noticed that this sort of discussion doesn't belong on this thread. If you have a response, start a new one.
Last edited on Sun May 18th, 2008 02:04 am by ole
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