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 Posted: Sat May 30th, 2009 01:43 am
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Guess I'm obliged to respond.

They did secede.

Ole- Do we need to go through the procedures state by state? More than a few states rammed secession through without consulting their people.

The delegates to secession conventions were elected by the people, and their views on union or disunion were know at the time they were elected.

*******Try reading that again, not all secession conventions were elected by the people. Have a real close look at Texas and Tennessee.

There was a merchant fleet in Europe. You know, the ones that imported cotton

Ole- You missed the part where that merchant fleet put into northern ports with its cargo, and went to southern ports to pick up cotton. How was that going to change?

They deliver their goods to Southern ports. 'Direct trade' as they called it. No middleman. Yup. There was one. And direct trade would have been of enormous benefit to the Confederacy. Unfortunately, the merchant fleets put into northern ports where there was cash money to pay for what they carried. Then they dropped south to pick up cotton on the trip home. I don't know how quickly that might have been adjusted so that the merchant fleet might have made first landfall on southern soil. But they didn't, and no amount of wishing or coulda/shoulda changes that.


New Orleans, Mobile, Savannah, Charleston, and a few places in Virginia.

Ole- Agreed. They COULD have established a shipyard. But they didn't. Any idea how long it takes to build a shipyard and staff it?

No, not going to establish a shipyard.  They DID have shipyards.  Name two, and the ships they built.


An English or French ship brings in the imports, returns to Europe with cotton. No Yankee middleman. No shipping, no commissions. No imports to sell South.
This is what ought to have been. Unfortunately, it wasn't. Check out the duties paid in all the ports.
Ole- Those ports had decades of opportunity to work on that problem. The basic thing to overcome was that the goods were bought in the north and then transhipped to the few in the south that bought them. Imported goods go to merchants that buy; the south had little structure in the mercantile field.

True, but in 1861 european interests were already starting to change that situation. I'm not from Missouri, but you still must show me.


That was their stance for a while until they finally realized how much they were going to lose. They were the ones who paid for the war.

Ole- Union bondholders got their money back. With whatever interest was promised.

Yes, follow the money.

You have yet to say something that actually happened or, at least, might have. The south had no merchant fleet and the European merchant fleets made a bee-line to Philadelphia, New York or Boston. Few to none put in at Charleston, Savannah, Mobile or New Orleans except to pick up cotton. Saying otherwise doesn't make it so.

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