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 Posted: Mon Jan 10th, 2011 07:53 pm
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Texas Defender

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Hank C-

  You insist on condemning southerners for seceding and, in your view: "Not respecting the ballot box." What they were doing was, in their view, exercising their right to cut their ties to the northern states and form a government more congenial to their interests.

  Here in Texas, the decision on secession was put to a popular vote. On Feb 23, 1861, over 75% voted to secede. It could be said that that action was respecting the ballot box.

SECESSION | The Handbook of Texas Online| Texas State Historical Association (TSHA)

  Of course the southerners hoped in vain that Mr. Lincoln would not win the 1860 Election. The only previous Republican presidential candidate, John C. Fremont, got only 33% of the vote in 1856. But the Democrat vote was so fractured in 1860 (It could be said that there were, in effect, three Democrat candidates out of the four major candidates in 1860) that it should have been clear to them that they would lose.

  A more pragmatic approach for the Democrats would have been to unite to win the election and then try to deal with their differences later. But the southerners of that day were often not pragmatic.

  Finally, I would point out to you the faultiness of your math. You stated that the popular vote victory of Mr. Lincoln over Mr. Douglas in 1860 was the largest popular vote victory over the second place finisher in history. This is not correct.

  One only has to look to the 1856 Presidential Election to find a bigger margin of victory in the popular vote. In 1856, James Buchanan received 1,836,072 votes to John C. Fremont's 1,342,345. That is a difference of 493,727 votes. In 1860, Abraham Lincoln received 1,865,908 votes to Stephen A. Douglas' 1,380,202. That is a difference of only 485,706 votes.

1856 Presidential Election

1860 Presidential Election

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