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You are the one who wants to continue to go over the same ground. As for the USSC decision Texas v. White, I will tell you again and for the last time that the 1869 decision made secession unconstitutional in 1869 and thereafter. In 1861, there was no ruling on the question and therefore it was not a crime to do it in 1861. The Federal Government could not go back and punish anyone for doing it in 1861 based on the 1869 USSC decision.
I will tell you again and for the last time that southerners believed (as do I) that secession was their right and that they did not have to appeal to the federal court system for validation. I will tell you again and for the last time that Mr. Lincoln would not have accepted secession no matter what Chief Justice Taney's court (or any other) might have decided. Mr. Lincoln said before he took office that he would not allow secession.
As for : "Minor facts" that seem to be of little importance to you- to me if you are continually careless about facts, then it tends to damage the credibility of the totality of what you say. For example, misquoting me by saying that I presented the USSC decision" US v. Texas" as validating secession when it did not and I did not is not a : "Minor" issue to me.
Apparently, you either can not or will not address the text of the 10th Amendment. Let me again and for the last time spell it out for you. The Tenth Amendment reads:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
So, lets get to the crux of the matter. I'll issue you a challenge: 1) Show me where in the Constitution that it grants the Federal Government the authority to forbid secession. (You won't be able to- because it doesn't). 2) Show me where in the Constitution it says that the states are prohibited from seceding. (You won't be able to- because it doesn't). I will tell you again, and for the last time, that I find the text of the 10th Amendment more compelling than your: "Logic."
You say that you: "Have no idea how the 10th Amendment can be interpreted to allow secession of any state." To me, that: "Defies logic," and makes it clear to me that it is a fruitless exercise to continue to discuss the issue with you.
Last edited on Wed Jan 2nd, 2013 01:02 am by Texas Defender