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 Posted: Tue Dec 18th, 2007 09:02 pm
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Does anyone have info or references to a skirmish in Golddust, TN?

Golddust is a few miles north of Ft. Pillow. My Dad grew up in that area, and remembers my Grandfather telling him of a "battle" there. He definately didn't confuse it with Ft. Pillow. This is substantiated by him remembering that his class-mates would bring bullets, both minie ball and round shot (probably pistol balls) to school saying they were found in Golddust.

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Albert-

  I have to guess that the affair at Golddust was associated with the Battle of Ft. Pillow after all.

  Here is a listing on the place that talks about Ft. Pillow and fortifications at Golddust, but makes no mention of a separate engagement.

 

  Golddust, Tennessee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

  Here is an excellent site on Civil War battles and I find no separate listing for Golddust, TN.

 

G Battles

  I would think that if something distinct from Ft. Pillow happened there, then it would be mentioned on the above sites. Its not absolute proof, but....

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That's three posts I've lost this week!#%$#

I'll go with TD in that Golddust was likely associated with Fort Pillow. We just can't know how closely -- whether it was a prelude to that battle, or something else.

The Tennessee Tories in the fort were a lawless bunch. Before joining the garrison (or hiding behind its walls) they terrorized the countryside, making little distinction between the secesh and loyalists. The bullets found on the Golddust "battlefield" may have been from a dustup between them and some outraged citizens, or with some of Forrest's boys assigned to put them down.

A lot depends on how many bullets were found. Were there any breastworks there?

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An excellent book on Ft Pillow is "River Run Red". It discusses some skirmishing with troops prior to the battle (days, weeks, and months prior) with various scouting parties. My guess, at this point, is Golddust was one of these skirmishes.

In checking the index of that book, I find no mention of Golddust, nor have I ever come across any references to it when studying the battle of Ft. Pillow.

All of Forrests troops, at the battle of Ft Pillow, came up from the south (Jackson, Bolivar) rather than the direction of Golddust (too far to the north, with Cold Creek in between Golddust and the fort.

If anyone has the OR's on disc, perhaps a "search" would yield infor.

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Ole,

I've not heard breastworks mentioned there....



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use google, yahoo, dog pile, or any other search engine you can think of. Golddust , Tennessee is bound to show up somewhere.



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I've tried Google, etc.....I don't get any info regarding action there.

My thought it is, is it was just a skirmish of so little consequence as to not warrant mention. I wish I had the OR's to check....Maybe there is some mention there....

I've heard somewhere, and I can't quote the source but it sounds plausible to me, that there were 10,000 "actions" during the Civil War. Perhaps my little skirmish at Golddust was one of those.....



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I'm sorry I can't help any. Maybe it was just to small to bother with



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Thanks!

That's my theory: it was just a skirmish.....one of many....

Perhaps, someone mentioned it in a diary, or a report which is so far buried that I can't find it!!



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Maybe we could get Miss Susan interested. She can find anything.

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Albert-

  I've seen the number of Civil War engagements given as 10, 455. The same source gave the number of casualties at Gettysburg as 51,112. Such precision could not be achieved now, let alone in that day and age. They might as well have tried counting the number of ants in a fireant nest. :D



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Ah, but Albert you do have the OR to search, go here:

http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/

Not only will it search the army and navy OR but many old periodicals as well.



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David,

WOW!!

Thanks for the info! I have saved it on my computer, and I'm sure I'll refer to it a thousand times!

When I lived in TN several years ago, I used to go to the library in Bolivar, TN. They had the hard bound editions of the OR's.....Man, that was tough trying to look things up that way! I much prefer the "search" feature on the website you gave!

By the way, I didn't find Golddust in the OR's that you sent.....Must be like Texas Defender says, trying to count ants....probably too miniscule a skirmish to mention....

Texas Defender,

Well said regarding the ant-hill!!



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Go to Ask.com they can find anything



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I found Golddust, TN at Wikipedia under its own article. It is said to be three miles north of the location of the Battle of Fort Pillow. Because it was so close, it is very possible there was a skirmish before, after (or both) the actual hostilities at Fort Pillow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golddust%2C_Tennessee



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Thanks Dixie Girl and Cleburne Fan!

I've checked the OR's, "Googled" it, etc.....I even contacted the Park Ranger at Ft. Pillow, tried to find anything in "Battles and Leaders" series, looked it up in the book "River Run Red" (an excellent book about Ft. Pillow) and can't find anything.

My conclusions are:

A) It was a minor skirmish, not worthy of mention in any of my sources

                        Or

B) Due to the passage of time (over 50 years) my Dad's memory is mistaken (he is even starting to question it himself, in regards to where the bullets came from), and those bullets were found at the Ft. Pillow battle sight.

I appreciate everyone's help!



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Albert, I dug into my book piles and dug out That Devil Forrest: Life of General Nathan Bedford Forrest" by John Allen Wyeth. It goes into great detail about the battle of Fort Pillow. I was hoping against hope that a book with such great detail would help you out in your search for skirmishes at Golddust. TN.

Unfortunately, in spite of all the detail Golddust has nary a mention. In fact, a map of the surrounding area doesn't even show Golddust even though it was only three miles to the north. I take it to mean that the town was very small. That doesn't mean that there was never a shootout there. I wish I could have been of more help.



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Cleburne

I greatly appreciate the time you took to look up that info for me!



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The Battle of Plum Point Bend was near your location.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Plum_Point_Bend

http://www.civilwarhome.com/plumpoint.htm

CSS General M. Jeff Thompson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_General_M._Jeff_Thompson#Battle_of_Plum_Point_Bend

Capt Isaac D. Fulkerson, CSN

http://www.fulkerson.org/isaacd.html

Your Community is named after a riverboat that Mark Twain was on [url=http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:mtPdBb7d9jQJ:[url=http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:mtPdBb7d9jQJ:[url=http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:mtPdBb7d9jQJ:http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pdf/abt_mrnames]http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:mtPdBb7d9jQJ:http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pdf/abt_mrnames(3of8).pdf+Plum+Point+Bend+goldust+mark+twain&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us]http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pdf/abt_mrnames]http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pdf/abt_mrnames(3of8).pdf+Plum+Point+Bend+goldust+mark+twain&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us]http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pdf/abt_mrnames]http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:mtPdBb7d9jQJ:http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pdf/abt_mrnames(3of8).pdf+Plum+Point+Bend+goldust+mark+twain&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us]http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pdf/abt_mrnames[/url][/url]http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:mtPdBb7d9jQJ:[url=http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:mtPdBb7d9jQJ:[url=http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:mtPdBb7d9jQJ:http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pdf/abt_mrnames]http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:mtPdBb7d9jQJ:http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pdf/abt_mrnames(3of8).pdf+Plum+Point+Bend+goldust+mark+twain&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us]http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pdf/abt_mrnames]http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pdf/abt_mrnames(3of8).pdf+Plum+Point+Bend+goldust+mark+twain&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us]http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pdf/abt_mrnames]http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:mtPdBb7d9jQJ:http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pdf/abt_mrnames(3of8).pdf+Plum+Point+Bend+goldust+mark+twain&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us]http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pdf/abt_mrnames[/url][/url][/url]

Mile 791.5 AHP, Map 10
Left bank, descending

Gold Dust, a small Tennessee community, bears the name of an old steamboat. The
Gold Dust was a sidewheel steamer, built in 1877 and still going strong when a famous
passenger named Mark Twain noted that she was as neat and comfortable in 1882 as
when she first entered the river trade.
Mark Twain visits Tennessee

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:RicQz0Fw5dQJ:spider.georgetowncollege.edu/htallant/border/bs7/ensor.htm+Gold+Dust,+a+small+Tennessee+community,+bears+the+name+of+an+old+steamboat.+TheGold+Dust+was+a+sidewheel+steamer,+built+in+1877+and+still+going+strong+when+a+famouspassenger+named+Mark+Twain+noted+that+she+was+as+neat+and+comfortable+in+1882+aswhen+she+first&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Some General history....

Lauderdale County  http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:JGZkC8w3nnwJ:tennesseeencyclopedia.net/imagegallery.php%3FEntryID%3DL010+Goldust+Church+Goldust+School+tennessee&cd=39&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Choctaws of West Tennessee  http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:mxwWN7TbGpIJ:tennesseeencyclopedia.net/imagegallery.php%3FEntryID%3DC080+Golddust+Church+Golddust+School+tennessee&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Report of the Chief of Engineers United States Army --- June 30 1901 Page 236  http://books.google.com/books?id=UlQtAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA236&lpg=PA236&dq=gold+dust+crossing+plum+point+bend+map&source=bl&ots=iJ_rIYqAcu&sig=YZnRI86LCjco8cF-5hoF9F94NsQ&hl=en&ei=64ODS7f2JZD7nAfn8J3-AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=gold%20dust%20crossing%20plum%20point%20bend%20map&f=false

Annual reports of the War Department Part 3  ---  June 30 1911  -- Page 3222   http://books.google.com/books?id=NYUEAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA3222&lpg=PA3222&dq=gold+dust+crossing+tennessee&source=bl&ots=yXlIsvppUb&sig=X-zBWDde8noQMhJuYf9nC5FjBWM&hl=en&ei=k4WDS8ncAsSDngfXurThAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CAoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=gold%20dust%20crossing%20tennessee&f=false

Articles about the explosion of the steamer Gold Dust ...

The Gold Dust Victims - The New York Times - August 10 1882 Wednesday - Page 1 149 words
 http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9F02EFDC1430E433A25752C1A96E9C94639FD7CF

The Gold Dust Disaster.; Thirteen Persons Dead, Seventeen Missing, And Many Badly Injured.  The New York Times - August 8 1882 Wednesday - Page 1 1089 Words http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9507E6DC1430E433A2575AC0A96E9C94639FD7CF

A Terrible Disaster.: Seventeen Persons Killed By An Explosion On  The Steamer Gold Dust. The New York Times - August 7 1882 Wednesday - Page 1 485 Words http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9A0CE1DD1430E433A2575BC0A96E9C94639FD7CF


 

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I found the following on battles in Lauderdale County, TN. Lauderdale county is where Goldust is located. I paste in the following.....

The Civil War devastated the county's farms and plantations. After Fort Pillow's fall to Union forces in June 1862, occupation of the county seesawed between Confederate and Union troops, both of whom bivouacked in Ripley at different times. Skirmishes occurred at Double Bridges and Woodville in October 1862, Knob Creek in January 1863, and Durhamville in September 1863. The most controversial engagement took place at Fort Pillow on April 12, 1864, when a Confederate force under General Nathan Bedford Forrest overran the Union outpost and killed almost half the garrison of 600 mostly African American troops.

link to it....

http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/imagegallery.php?EntryID=L010


I do know where these places are located within the county....







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