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| Posted: Sun Feb 10th, 2008 07:33 am |
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Kay, I am an enthusiastic student of naval history. Was the BOXER built by your folks the first USS BOXER (built in 1815) or the second (A 194 ton schooner of 10 guns) commissioned in 1832? Ah- I've answered my own question. It was the first. (The second was built in Boston). From Dictionary of American Fighting Ships (The first). The :"LT J. Porter" who commanded the first BOXER was probably John Porter who was promoted to LT in 1812. He was, I believe, the brother of Captain David Porter (1780-1843) who was the father of Admiral David Dixon Porter and Commodore William David Porter, and of course the adopted father of the first admiral, David Glasgow Farragut. (Whose name was James until 1814 , when he took the name of David to honor his adopted father). Last edited on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 07:07 am by Texas Defender |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10th, 2008 01:52 pm |
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Re:Martin/ Schwenk, No joy with the medal review listing. I'm just surprised that he doesn't show in a census listing somewhere as Schwenk. Of course, if they hadn't buried him in Arlington I'd at least have a state to start looking in.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10th, 2008 08:45 pm |
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Dear Tex, Yes, you've answered your own question. But I think BOXER was first a British ship and we refitted it, can't remember exactly. Somewhere deep in my files I have a report from Porter on the progress of the construction of BOXER from the National Archives. I think I also have BOXER's ship registration, as I have gone through a lot of the files at Mystic Seaport Museum for a WPA project copied all the old Middletown Customs House files, as well as HOLKARs'. Glad to hear J. was the uncle of DD. I didn't know whether they were related. (You can read my whole Tenn. R. campaign chapter online, that includes all of the Miss. R. campaign, at http://www.nymas.org, right sidebar, scroll down-- that gives more credit to the Navy, including Foote, also a relative through my Churchill line). Also of interest is MACEDONIA which I had a hard time tracking. There was a refitted HMS Macedonia, but not ours. But CT histories listed a MACEDONIA for the War of 1812 as out of our shipyard. Turns out, I learned through a fluke, MACEDONIA was a ship built for JJ Astor. Astor being a friend of Gallatin, managed to talk the Navy into letting MACEDOnIA accompany Bainbridge's squadron to the Pacific, with it as a supply ship. The squadron got attacked by the Brits, but MACEDONIA escaped and wended its way to China with a load of furs, and unforutnately opium, I believe the first US shipment (our citizens also used opium heavily--I believe the term "invalid" was a code word for "drug addict'--so it was no partiuclar plot against the Chinese except that we had nothing else to sell them). Kay
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10th, 2008 09:31 pm |
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Texas Defender Member
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Kay- Perhaps I can clarify the situation with the two ships called the MACEDONIAN. Originally, it was a British frigate. On October 25, 1812, it engaged the USS UNITED STATES (Stephen Decatur) and was shot into submission at long range. The British captain, John Carden, had previously boasted that he would take the UNITED STATES if he ever was able to engage it. Decatur brought the wreck back to Newport. It was the only British frigate ever brought into an American port as a prize. The ship was rebuilt and became the USS MACEDONIAN. It served in the Navy until 1828. USS Macedonian (1810) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In 1832, the keel of the original ship was used to build a new ship, which was called MACEDONIAN II. It was a 36 gun frigate that came into service in 1836. The ship was converted to a sloop-of-war in the early 1850s, and accompanied Commodore Perry to the Far East. During the Civil War, it was mostly in the West India Squadron. It continued in the Navy until being sold in 1875. USS Macedonian II As for the ship called the MACEDONIA, I've been unable to find it among ships in the Navy. As you said, it was a privately built vessel and its connection to the Navy was probably unofficial. There was a ship called the MACEDONIA that apparently came to grief off the Mull of Kintyre in 1881, but I have no clue if that was the same ship or not. I'd be interested to learn more. Last edited on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 09:47 pm by Texas Defender |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 06:43 am |
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cklarson Member
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Dear Tex, Yes, I thought originaly that we did the work on the HMS Macedonian until it became clear that it was done at Newport as you write. But, again as you write, I think the reasons Astor's Macedonia was not listed as a Navy ship were 2: it was unofficial (he had originally planned to break off and go to China with the furs) and it was a supply ship, so it didn't get into the "Fighting Ships" listing. But I found the reference in a recent trade biography of Astor, to my surprise. The author said that it was the fastest and best ship or something like that. I am very proud of the fact that my ancestor, Charles, was listed as both ship master and master carpenter on the ship registrations which meant he was both a naval architect and ship captain (did deliveries). As a child, I wanted to be an architect and still have a strong interest in interior design. Another cousin was Capt. Moses Tryon, one of the first 4 USN captains. His first command was the USS CT, as I remember. There is an account of a race he had with Decatur--don't rmember who won, but Tryon blurted some pithy remark. He seemed like a great guy: your basic, Arrh! blustery seafarer of old. He's buried in Wethersfield, Ct. I named one of the family horses after him in my "Nell" book. Kay
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 07:42 am |
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Texas Defender Member
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Kay, I knew nothing of the exploits of Captain Tryon, so I decided to look into him. His monument says that he fought in the Revolutionary War. Capt Moses Tryon (1750 - 1817) - Find A Grave Memorial When I looked him up on my naval officers list, the first entry was his commission as captain on 16 September 1798. The next entry says: "Discharged under the Peace Establishment Act, date unknown." Hmmm.. The naval officers list also shows a George Tryon, who was made a midshipman on 11 September 1799. It then says: "Last appearance on Records of Navy Department 3 October 1799." Perhaps George was the son of Moses. He seems to have had a very short career. The Peace Establishment Act was basically a reduction in the size of the military instituted by President Jefferson. I knew that it applied to the Army, but apparently the Navy was effected as well. Republicanizing the Army Your last entry I took to read that Captain Tryon commanded the USS CONNECTICUT. I wondered which ship it was, so I checked it out. Connecticut Moses was right in the middle of the undeclared naval war with France. But I have no clue what he did in the Revolutionary War. You have some very interesting relatives. 
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12th, 2008 06:09 am |
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Dear Tex, Many thanks for this info too!! RE: Rev War. Tryon may have commanded either a CT war ship (CROMWELL was the first built) or a privateer, I don't remember. Don't know about George. My Prudence Tryon who married one of the Churchills is in the mix somehwere--I get the wives mixed up as to who married whom, unless I look them up. But the Tryon family is even more interesting. They were Dutch refugees from the Spanish invasion of the Netherlands in the 16th century. And they were rich, bringing with them ca, 50,000 lbs. sterling into England. As a result William was immediately knighted. He was also a staunch Puritan and funded many Puritan churches all over England, including one in Colchester. The Footes who first settled CT, that is, Wethersfield, were from Colchester. At the end of the 17th cnetury, a Tryon emigrated and bought up a lot of land around Wethersfield--apparently they retained their bucks. There is so much interesting politics in CT as it was a raidcal state from the begininng (the only always self-governing colony). During the English Civil War, the radical Puritans acquired the "Warwick Patent", the area around what is now Saybrook, CT, then Fort Say (named after Lord Say and Sele, protector of Thomas Welles, Gideon Welles' ancestor who had been convicted in a Star Chamber proceeding for not taking the test oath that recognized Charles I head of the Anglican Church--like the Presbyterians in Scotland, the Puritans believed Christ was head of the church). John Pym, the radical Parliament leader, even visited Fort Say. It appears that the Warwick Patent was the "getaway plan" for the Puritan nobility in Parliament if things go too hot with Charles. Lord Say and Sele was the Lord Chief Justice and signed Charles I's death warrant. Sir Richard Saltonstall was also one of the radicals who high tailed it to CT. Very interesting, eh? Kay
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12th, 2008 07:19 am |
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Texas Defender Member
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Kay, Through our exchanges I'm learning more about both CT history and naval history in general. Of course, Gideon Welles and Andrew Hull Foote (Originally: "Foot") are familiar characters to me. I understand that they were schoolmates as boys. I know very little about our privateers during the Revolution. I wasn't familiar with the exploits of the OLIVER CROMWELL. However, I was able to find an excellent resource to detail it for me. Here it is in case you haven't seen it: HISTORY OF OLIVER CROMWELL It includes a roster of the ship's crew. Perhaps you had some other relatives who served on it. 
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12th, 2008 07:51 am |
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cklarson Member
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Dear Tex, Yes, this is great. I've tried to make maritime history one of my subspecialties. I'm also the historian for the US Coast Guard Auxiliarly. I"ve got 2 articles (see text articles) at http://www.history.auxpa.org -- on WWII. RE: CT naval history. I may be getting the Amer Rev and War of 1812 mixed up, but the figure 2,000 privateers sticks in my mind and CT had a lot of them--I think it was the Amer Rev. Early on everyone was in shipping in some way in CT as all settlements were originaly along the CT River. At the end of the 18th cent. CT was a major exporter of onions, barrel staves, rum, etc. Also because of the bad farming people had to have more than 1 vocation. There were also high levels of education in the state, largely due to Thomas Hooker's Cambridge group. These combined to develop a highly skilled, inventive work force that still exists, e.g., Groton submarines, etc. By the end of hte 19th cent. CT had issued more patents than some nations, including for the steamboat (Fulton stole the design), the first submarine, Colt firearms (and generally the Whitney-North system of mass mfgd. interchangeable parts by 1820), the sewing machine, and later airplane parts. RE: Foote. The spelling was always Foote and he and I are descended from Nathaniel and Elizabeth Deming Foote. A.H.'s ancestor was one of their sons. I'm a descendant of the eldest daughter Elizabeth who married Josiah Churchill. Eliz. Deming Foote's second husband was Thomas Welles, but I'm not sure it's Gideon Welles's ancestor as it appears there's more than 1 Thos. Welles. Harriet Beecher Stowe is also of this clan, as her mother was a Foote. Kay
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12th, 2008 03:35 pm |
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Texas Defender Member
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Kay- I haven't made a study of Admiral Foote's genealogy, but I have read in more than one place about the variation of the name. So, I'll present some sources and you might find them credible or not. Admiral Foote's father was Samuel Augustus Foote. (1780-1846). He was a member of Congress, and so a Congressional biography of him exists. It gives the Foot variation. FOOT, Samuel Augustus - Biographical Information Just to confuse matters, Appleton's gives it as Foote. http://famousamericans.net/samuelaugustusfoote/ The Political Graveyard (scroll down to bottom)- gives both variations! The Political Graveyard: Index to Politicians: Foltz to Foot The Cheshire Historical Society mentions the Foote House (see #8). It gives the admiral's grandfather as Rev. John Foot, but his father as Samuel Augustus Foote. Very confusing . Who was the culprit here?  http://www.cheshirehistory.org/pdf_files/cheshire_town_ctr_walk.pdf As for Thomas Welles the politician, I have read elsewhere that he is Gideon Welles' ancestor. This bio of him identifies your Elizabeth Deming Foote as his second wife. Thomas Welles Very interesting fellow. Last edited on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 05:10 pm by Texas Defender |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12th, 2008 04:09 pm |
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Texas Defender Member
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Kay, I haven't yet been able to determine just how many privateers came out of Connecticut during the Revolutionary War. (I'm sure that the answer is out there if I figure out where to look). I found a source that gave the total number of privateers commissioned as 1657, compared to only 64 Navy ships. Apparently, the Connecticut privateers vexed the British so much that they prompted a series of events on land. Fort Griswold Home Page I thought that you might also like to see images of some Revolutionary War flags relating to Connecticut. Connecticut Colonial/Revolutionary War Flags (U.S.) Last edited on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 04:42 pm by Texas Defender |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13th, 2008 05:24 am |
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Dear Tex, Thanks so much for all this good stuff, especially the bio of Thomas Welles (now I know the connection). Eliz. Deming Foote Welles lived till age 83. Like other families, individual members and lines kept or dropped the "e" or changed letters. For instance our Worden family can be Worden, Warden, Werden, Wharton. etc. Also liked the histories of CROMWELL and CT. Kay
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29th, 2008 06:57 pm |
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viviangray Member
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Reb, I sure would like some help. My grandfather was in the war. He was in "A" co. the 6th Alabama Cavalry from 1862 to 1865. He was discharged May 19,1865.I found copies of his request for a pension. Is there some place I can go to find his war record and get a copy of his discharge? Thank you in advance for any help you can be.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31st, 2008 09:52 pm |
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I am new to this web site. I thought I had posted a request for help. My Grandfather Edward Bradford was in "A" Co. in the 6th Alabama Calvalry form 1862 to 1865. Acording to his application for pension he was discharged may 19, 1865. Is there a way to find out about where he fought and get a copy of his discharge? I have another Great Grandfather and he only had a piece of paper saying he was discharged.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 03:48 pm |
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Duncan: Are you aware they took Col. Simpson's name off the research center at Hillsboro? The new president has gone all politically correct there, first she kills the Confederate flag, then the symposium, now Col Simpson's name and more to follow I hear.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 08:23 pm |
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eva sue Member
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my mother's grandfather was in the civil war enlisted in cival war co.k 33rd. reg.ind discharged in 1865 in indiapolis his name was tuenes wilson vanpelt his parents were jacob and mahala vanpelt I'm researching family ancestors and history would appreciate any help. eva funkhouser evaanddick@gmail.com thanks
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14th, 2008 04:54 pm |
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Reb till death wrote:
Hi Reb , my name is Jim born in TX and raised in the land of the Yankees New York . My GGGF whos name is James H. Norris b. 1845 Ireland was in the Civil War , he used the Alias name of ( Doyle ) William Doyle and fought on the side of the Union. He was shot in the shoulder and died 9 June 1882 in the Erie Co NY Penitenairy while there on a 6 Mo charge of Fraud . His pension papers say he received a 8.00 dollar a month allowence from the Goverment in 1877 . certificate 149,372 . It was again acessed i assume after his death certificate 269'731 . Applacations were in order 163,332 , and 309,369. The name Doyle was James H. Norris mothers madien name and he inlisted useing that name and either James H. or William. His outfit is listed as L -13 NY-HA. My question is who made the origanal applications , id like to know about the out fit he was in and where the company was formed . Thank You Reb Till Death i apreciate your help...Jim
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14th, 2008 05:39 pm |
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Reb till death Member 
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give me a little bit and I will see what I can find.
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