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| Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2011 05:28 am |
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Hellcat Person 
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That is not an excuse. The movie is based on the book as Gettysburg is based on The Killer Angels. Gettysburg better followed The Killer Angels. But Gods and Generals did not do as well to follow Gods and Generals. There is much going on on both sides in the book that gets left out of the movie. We loose so much of that with the movie's focus. It should not matter which side is winning. If you're basing your movie on an exsisting book, then try to follow the book more. The book isn't about the South winning at that point in the war. It's about how the main characters, both North and South, feel about what is taking place. About their frustrations, about what they do to aid their side's cause. Who they are and how the war is shaping them. Last edited on Mon Mar 7th, 2011 05:29 am by Hellcat |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15th, 2011 01:50 pm |
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H.K.Douglas III Member
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I am a new member and was compelled to become one because of this chat, granted GAG was a bit long toothed as we say here, as the third Grandson of Henry Kyd Douglas, who was one of Jackson's adjutants it irks me to no-end that so many of you look at the movie from a reenactors eye. What I am saying is that you should reference your historical knowledge, Actually Jackson played a very pivotal role in Fredricksburg and to omit this would have been folly for Maxwell and secondly the tale of the little girl albeit a bit stiffly portrayed was very dramatic in the life of General Jackson, they actually had a relationship, he loved very deeply that little girl, and when she passed he as was acknowledged in my great great Grandfathers Book :I Rode with Stonewall: took to his bed for a day and continued to weep to the point that his aides Pendelton and My great great grandfather were amazed that her death so moved him, yet he saw death almost daily and yet never reacted in fact he had away of removing them from his mind with know showing of remorse, so his staff got to he glimpse the real man for the first time. Theirs a story in my family that during the 2nd battle of Bull Run Jackson had sent a runner forward to a unit to move into another place in line in doing this the young many had to run in the open and so exposing himself to fire he managed to do the deed but on the way back he was hit several times he came back to General Jackson gave his report collapsed and the next day the man died when Jackson was told of this he gave a one word reply "commendable" so that ties into the death of the girl for when Jackson wept it was in belief that all deaths finally hit home and the needless death of an innocent was the release mechanism which finally moved him.. As for the rest of GAG I would take duval over sheen anytime also I think turner was told that after Gettysburg where his association with Fonda liberalism led him to make Lee look the fool that he better give the South a better showing. Now for the slave with Jackson praying and all that well all that was all pure bull. In fact the slave latter on absconded with one of Jackson's other horse and wasnt seen again. I recommend if you can find it get the above mentioned book. Its out of print but it is findable and very accurate from someone who was by Jackson's side every day from the day Jackson left V.M.I and till he died It was Great Great Grandfather who picked the original Headstone for Jackson's grave site,and lead the attachment of troops that brought his body home as commanded by General Lee. Thanks for listening to an old man, Henry Kyd Douglas III
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15th, 2011 02:12 pm |
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j harold 587 Member 
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Thank you Mr. Douglas for you insites! I think too many of us tend to have an agenda and want a theatrical production to cater to that particular agenda. I go to the movies to be entertained. I read historical fiction to be entertained. I read historical records or historical analysis to be educated. One must always keep in mind the particular baggage brought to the table by the writer. Douglas S. Freman, and your GGgrandfather (who's book I have read, and recommend) may have a bias as would anyone who had a close personal relationship with an individual or cause. That does not mean their writings are not accurate from their view point. From my career in law enforcement I know that four people can witness the same incident and see four very different events. That is why it is importan to understand that knowledge is a journey not a destination. P.S. My wife enjoyed G&G as a love story with the life of Thomas Jackson as a backdrop. She is not a student of the ACW, just married to one.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15th, 2011 03:20 pm |
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smnptrout Member
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In order to have a great movie,you have to have a great director,and that director must have a vision of what he wants to show us.Maxwell was never able to create the look of the 1860's USA.His pastures and battlefields were neatly bush-hogged and not realistic.The blue and gray soldiers were dressed in clean pressed uniforms.The Stonewall brigade,looked to have gone abeer too far,most were overweight,suburban looking chaps.Action sequences were haphazardly edited.Reenactors laughing as they charge across a battlefield,just does not relay danger to the movie watcher.A director change is needed.I thought "Ride with the Devil" and "Pharoahs Army" were great movies.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18th, 2011 11:11 pm |
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H.K.Douglas III Member
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Mr. Harold
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20th, 2011 03:04 pm |
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H.K.Douglas III Member
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Mr Harold I also am not much for what ifs, however when it comes to a discussion on a specific battle one tends to almost take a what if stance since the outcome was written all those many years ago. What I was referring to was Lee's actual timed plan for the battle, from the 2nd day on its very apparent that not one of Lee's unit commanders dealt with his orders verbatim, All of this because of Longstreet's grumbling and back biting, and groaning. and of course of General Ewell's failure to take the high ground on the 1st day, which after a meeting with those concerned he (LONGSTREET) states in front of subordinate commanders hes not moving till Pickett was up who had no-role to play on that 2nd day, Longstreet clearly didn't follow what Lee had told him to do. And the 3rd day was the worst of them all! Had General Longstreet followed to the letter Lees plan, it would clearly be improbable and very unlikely that from the southern side there would have been a defeat. Case in point- The Attack was originally scheduled to take place in conjunction with an attack by Ewell's Corps who was to attack the fish hook by the way the fish hook was the very place, that Meade was able to muster the reinforcements from, that threw out General Armisteads men later on that afternoon. Now the attack was scheduled in the very early hours around sun rise which according to written historical facts that with no-wind to mention there would have been early morning ground mist, and that on the previous 2 days took near to 11am to burn off which means Picketts men would have been able to assemble out of view and they would have definitely cleared Emmitsburg Road before any glimpse would have been discerned by northern soldiers, now the North would have known of their coming but to have trained an accurate volley either cannon and or musket would have been only slightly effective as it was some hours latter, also what sun there was would have been in the federal troopers soldiers and cannoneers eyes again making harder targets of the southern soldier, Yet Longstreet sat and sulked because he believed his plan more appealing, Longstreet the man and commander well he was sound and up to Gettysburg was solid and yes your right when he left Lee to shore up Bragg he found out the hard way, I think if he had been with Bragg first he would have seen the sound ethics of Lees plan, but there's your what if scenario for sure. Also there wouldn't have been a shortage of artillery ammunition here would have been plenty, because Alexander wouldn't have opened up till the actual crossing would have started and there would have been ample for any follow up thus needed later. Mr. Freeman covers it pretty well in his books on Lees Lieutenants, and he also lays out the original battle plan far better than I ever could. I have walked that walk many times in my many years, you cant help being moved and I always think had that attack moved off when it was supposed to how many brave soldiers wouldn't have died. I am bit older than you and maybe I as an old nut am set in my principals but to me I have listened for years while people have besmeared Lee and his conduct that day. Then Ted Turner hires the biggest liberal to play lee what a real shame that was. And they put the old it was all about slavery crap into the battle I guess folks forget about indentured servitude and very few must not have heard of the population records of 1859 that stated for every 7 black slaves their were 2 whites, and at least 3 native Americans shoved into slavery, now granted these folks were repaying debts but servitude is servitude I hope I have not over stepped my bounds of this learned site, I am not as efficient as you with a computer and sometimes this technology is a bit to much for me. Also I am not sure of the posting methods so will go this way and hope its the correct way. H.K. Douglass III
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20th, 2011 04:09 pm |
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j harold 587 Member
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Mr. Douglas, Sir, your points are well taken. The original plan for day three of Gettysburg may well have been successful for the reasons you have stated. 1) cooler less physical stress on the troops, 2) ground mist providing concealment for troops, 3) coordination of the assault on the east end of the Union line. However I do not know how a subordinate and commander who had the relationship of a Lee and Longstreet did not communicate better when the wheels fell off the original plan. As for the artillery ammunition that was a failure of that arm of the Army of Northern Virginia. Also I beleive there was sufficient ammunition for infantry support, but only one battery moved foreward as directed. And they were on the far right of the CSA line, so were of little support to the objective of the Union center. Should this discussion be moved to the Gettysburg thread?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26th, 2011 10:30 pm |
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H.K.Douglas III Member
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Mr. Harold I would like to again thank you. I believe you mentioned a new thread, my problem is not knowing how to do so and or how other than replying as I did with you to garner a discussion. As I mentioned I am not good with computers I tend to write in a style comparative to speech and not well versed grammar and or prose much like your able to master. I have never been active in this type of thing, and I confess ignorance in the not knowing the do's and don't s. On the artillery aspect yes you are correct within your statement, what I had meant was that if the attack had taken place when it was to have, then the actual bombardment would have struck the federals while Gen. Pickets men were crossing the field and only ceasing as not to offer injury to confederate forces. Not only that, but it would have been more accurate done with info being relayed directly from the advancing forces view of the fires effect but also less fire would have been required again fro the ground mist which would have blocked the federal response from lack of vision. Also it must be remembered that Alexander had some form of cannonading with the federals all that afternoon after the initial firing. H.K. Douglas III
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| Posted: Sun May 8th, 2011 04:24 am |
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teman21 Member
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Anything new going on with the Last Full Measure movie not being made?? Its kinda jacked up that they are going to make the first 2 and not the last. Who does that?? =[
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| Posted: Tue May 10th, 2011 07:27 pm |
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Michael F. Blake Member
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A strong/reliable source told me yesterday that it appears financing has been obtained to do LFM and casting choices are being discussed. That is all I can say at this time.
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| Posted: Wed May 11th, 2011 07:12 pm |
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BigReb Member
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I am hopeful that someone will fund the movie and make it. I understand that because of the poor box office sales of "Gods and Generals" this was the reason Ted Turner would not make the third and final film, "Last Full Measure". I also know personally that Ron Maxwell hates Confederates; he must have had to hold his nose during the filming of the first two movies. Hopefully they will find someone else to get it done.
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| Posted: Sat May 21st, 2011 04:40 am |
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bolaman1975 Member
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you know what...not too blow any smoke, but i hear that there has been some funding found...and i hear that Ron Maxwell is not involved...so it would be real interesting...stay tuned.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 6th, 2011 12:48 am |
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EDM450 Member
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The bottom line in today's movie going world is action. People want action in there movies pure and simple. There is bits and pieces that tie the movie in together but it has to be non stop action. Gettysburg had some good action, but if you are going to draw crowds in to see a movie about a war that happened 150 years ago it is going to have to be much more realistic to the tune of a "Saving Private Ryan" You do not have to show so much gore, but to put yourself in the perspective of the common soldier who is running from place to place or lined up marching in front of the enemy. The more you place the movie towards the actual fighting, rather than the behind the scenes the more people will come to see the movie. Using that format you can make the movie, have it still be very factually accurate, and draw in crowds that Ted Turner did not get from his previous movies.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23rd, 2011 09:12 pm |
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Chris Harvey Member
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I believe we owe it the memories of both sides to make Last Full Measure. Whats cost, compared to the blood spilled by these heroes. Hell we got bankers screwing with our economy which will make the cost of this film seem no consequence. Don't let us miss the opportunity to give authentic recorded justice to the deeds that make our nation great. Yeh and keep it authentic to the period it gives the mindset of the people their hopes and aspirations that maybe we all need to relearn today, in order to get our country back to full measure. Good hearin' from y'all.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31st, 2011 01:37 am |
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csamillerp Member 
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why look at the petty things in a movie, like the weight of a confederate reenactor, or how the landscape is done? the only way you'll find a reenactor that looks like a real confederate is if you scour the country to find enough homeless men to fill a battle scene. when i watch a movie on the civil war i dont look for the things thats wrong... like martin sheen in gettysburg being a foot shorter then he should have been, but i look for the entertainment that comes from watching something that is as close as it gets to what really happened
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14th, 2011 05:01 am |
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film director Member
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Last edited on Sat Jan 7th, 2012 01:47 am by film director |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 5th, 2012 08:47 pm |
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KHBeecher Member
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What nonsense. I was on the G&G film crew and know Maxwell. He and Turner are great friends. Turner just financed the Extended Directors Cut of G&G, adding an hour of new material. The incentives offered Maxwell's company to produce LFM in Maryland were paid back. There are no such law suits as referred to above. Try to get you facts straight before posting such drivel.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 5th, 2012 08:55 pm |
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KHBeecher Member
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Sorry, but nothing in this posting is accurate.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 5th, 2012 09:08 pm |
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javal1 Grumpy Geezer 
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There's 200 posts in this topic. If you take issue with any, please identify which post you're talking about. There is a post number in the upper right of each post.
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