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 Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 11:48 pm
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Hello folks! This is my first post, but I've been reading and enjoying what you've been discussing/chatting/wrangling/enlightening about for a few long months. Thought it was about time to jump in! I'm a teacher and summertime'll give me plenty of time to do that.

I was wondering if anyone has any favorite Civil War quotes they'd like to offer up? Depending on my mood, and who/what CW topic I'm reading about, my favorites change, but one I've always found amusing and ironic is Pickett's, when asked what he thought was the reason for the failure of the charge named after him: "I've always thought it had something to do with the Yankees."

Any takers?

Thanks for letting me join in!

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One of my favorites has always been:

"I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself." A. Lincoln

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 Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 12:14 am
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Welcome to the board pamc153PA!:)

I can't think of any favorite quote at the moment, but I would love to steal the one you just posted by Pickett.  That's a good one!

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 Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 12:17 am
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Welcome to the board. You have a connection to the 153rd PA.? Tell more - my ancestors were members of that unit!

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 Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 12:47 am
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javal1,

Yes, my ggggg uncle was Pvt. John Rothrock of Co. C, wounded on Barlow's Knoll on July 2, died July 27 at Mulberry St. Hospital in Harrisburg. He was a substitute, joined for the $50 bonus.

What about yours?

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pamc -

Above is Willian and Charle Issermoyer, my gg-gandfather and gg-uncle. Both were in the 153rd. Charles (on the right) was sent to Libby after capture at Chancellorsville. William was with your ancestor on Barlow's Knoll. Both were in company D. Various websites spell their names wrong, and at least one has William at Libby, which he wasn't. Pleased to have you on board!

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We're starting to get a full complement from the 153rd PA around here.

Pretty much figured out that my gg uncle Pvt. William Clewell played the tuba in the regimental band. He served in Co. A and survived the war. The surname is misspelled in the regimental history as 'Clowell', but it is spelled correctly on the Pennsylvania Monument.

Are you from Pennsylvania? I'm from Allentown.

What do you teach?

I kind of like Ewell's "It don't hurt a bit to get shot in a wooden leg."

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javal1,

Very cool! Small world, huh? I'm a bit jealous--I have pretty much info about my ancestor, but haven't been able to unearth a picture yet.

How'd your 153PA ancestors fare after Gettysburg?

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PvtClewell,

Right at the moment, I live in Boyertown, where I teach 8th grade English (which has many parallels to fighting the CW, sometimes), but I'm originally from Quakertown, and my father's family lived in Northampton County--Leithsville, actually. Ever hear of that? That's where my 153PA ancestor lived, working in an iron ore mine for the Bethlehem Steel.

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did you know tha tthe State of Alabama, pre secession, had a statue on the books providing a means for a free person of color to petition the courts to become a slave. Some exercised this "right"

Yes, I was aware of it -- and another one or two states, as well. Your point?

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I wonder if there were any statutes for people of no color to have the same opportunity to become slaves, and how many free whites would have exercised the right.

But anyway, I would like to read more quotes, please.

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Javal 1-

  Assuming that the two fellows in the 153rd PA were brothers (the posting doesn't say)- and knowing that your grandfather's brother is your great (or grand) uncle, wouldn't your gg grandfather's brother be your ggg uncle?

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This is not the thread for arguing political dogma about slavery. Quotes? Fine. The 153rd? Fine. Slavery - not fine. Please stop now.

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T.D.,

I'm embarrassed to admit I don't know. I always thought a brother would have the same number of generational "g's" in front, but I'm not a geneological sort by any means. If you're correct, ya taught me something today...;)

pmac -

Small world it is. Like Pvt Clewell, I'm from Allentown, but actually worked in Quakertown a short time many decades ago. Also lived in Coplay and Catasaqua as well.

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Anyone interested in 153PA read the book Damn Dutch by David Valuska and Christian Keller? A little slow at parts, but it gave me some real insight into my PA Dutch ancestors origins and thinking, when it came to fighting in the CW. You probably have to be at least passing interested in the 11th Corps and its history to really get a lot out of it, though.

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OK,

This is getting just a little too, um, bizarre.

I just got back from a week in Gettysburg, so I'm catching up here. I did a little genealogical research at the visitors' center and found out that William Clewell enlisted out of Nazareth when he was 17 years old. He survived the war and lived to be 70 years old, died in 1905.

Took a LBG tour at Barlow's Knoll one day last week, and the guide told us that although the 153rd mustered out on July 23, 1863, their enlistments actually expired before the battle of Gettysburg. They elected to stay and fight because the war had come to their home state. Holy smokes. It was a momentous decision for many. According to the regimental, 31 were killed, 147 were wounded, 16 died later of their wounds, 54 were captured and 14 were missing.

Bizarre? When I was in college I lived in Perkasie, which is just a stone's throw from Quakertown. You guys are scaring me.

I have read 'Damn Dutch.' David Valuska was a history professor of mine when I was at Kutztown State. He was a pretty good prof. He's retired now, I believe.

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PvtClewell,

I'd say welcome back, but if I was just back from G-burg, I'd still want to be there!

How easy was the genealogical research at the visitor's center? Any easier than online/books? I haven't been to the new VC yet--we're going out July 28-30.

Unfortunately, my ancestor, Pvt. John Rothrock was one of those who opted to stay and fight in his home state, and paid for it with his life. Irony--he died four days after the 153rd was officially mustered out.

Want more creepy connections? I went to Kutztown U. for my teacher certification, though I don't remember Valuska (alas!) since I was an English major. Also, for a few years I worked at Grand View Hospital in Sellersville (if you lived in Perkasie, you MIGHT know of it!) in the PR department. Go figure!

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It gets creepier by the minute. I worked a few gigs as security at some events at the KU auditorium ( which had a name I can't remember, but I'm pretty sure that at that time it was still Kutztown College). Used to be a great hoagie shop at the bottom of the big hill leading up to the campus.

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Joe,

Does Schaeffer (sp) Auditorium sound about right?

Pam,

Yes. Sellersville. Right next door. I'm officially in a twilight zone now.

Quakertown. I spent my first year in journalism at the Quakertown Free Press.

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