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 Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 01:58 am
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Yep Pvt., that sounds right. I was working for either Wackenhut or Burns Security at the time. My regular job was security at Sacred Heart Hospital in Allentown, but they'd occasionaly send me to both KU and Stabler Arena in Bethlehem for events. Why do those seem like such good times now when they didn't seem that way then....:cool:

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 Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 02:26 am
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Because we're older than dirt.

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 Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 02:38 am
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Guess yor right Pvt. We should at least get a t-shirt for it....


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 Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 01:27 pm
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Ah, Charlie Meredith and The Free Press. I know it well. Actually, the Free Press and the Boyertown Times are now owned by the same company.

Let's see if we can add to the creepiness: did you ever stop at the Quakertown Dairy Queen while you worked in Quakertown?

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 Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 10:09 pm
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When I worked at the Free Press, it was for less than a year back in 1976. Then I came south and lived happily ever after. Any chance we might have crossed paths before 1976?

Don't recall the DQ. Sorry. Thus endeth the creepiness.

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 Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 11:57 pm
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Boy I hate to end the creepiness, but if you and Joe are older than dirt, then I'm probably only about as old as compost. I graduated from Quakertown HS in 1980, so I don't guess our paths crossed. Still, the coincidences were really interesting!

I have to tell you guys that this is the first time since I've known that I have ancestors who fought in the CW that I've met anyone who also had 153 PA connections, and that is very cool to me! You guys have inspired me to get back to digging more deeply into my CW past!

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 Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 10:37 am
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Having a great time being long of tooth. Joe and pamc, I've got 153 connections also. Have an ancestor, Andrew J. Cone, sgt 4th GA, who hit your 153rd's left flank at Barlow's Knoll. He was later captured at Spottsylvania and died at Ft. Delaware.

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 Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 10:41 am
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Forgot to mention, another one who was in Hay's Brigade, 9th La, who came up behind Gordon's Brigade on the knoll.

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My two favorites are:

"My religous belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to always be ready, no matter when it may overtake me."

Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson

"I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from hell before breakfast.

William Tecumseh Sherman

I have both these quotes on my desk and read them everyday.  Stonewalls to reaffirm my faith and Shermans because the truth in it always makes me smile.

Mike

 

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 Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 11:36 pm
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Doc C,

I'm not sure my ancestor in the 153rd PA would feel the same, but thanks for sharing the connection. Hearing about a couple of soldiers from the "other side" gives me a perspective I hadn't thought about. Thanks much!

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 Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 11:40 pm
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It was a tough day for all. As I recall, some of the Hay's men took some awful flank fire from Stephen's Knoll. If you've never been on Stephen's Knoll, make it a point - gives a whole new perspective to the Cem. Hill action.

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 Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 12:54 am
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The 153rd were also at the base of East Cemetery Hill facing Avery's North Carolinians on the evening of July 2. For those who haven't been to this often missed part of GB, Cemetery Ridge pales in comparison to the elevation of ECH. I've walked both numerous times and it's imcomprehensible to me how Hays/Avery's brigades could attack those heights. Those 2 brigades may have reached the heights and the artillery lunnets but Meade could easily, as he did, shift his troops from CR to support this area. Joe, where's Stevens Knoll?

Michael J. Cone, M.D.

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If you stand at the base of ECH (or the top for that matter), looking across the road to the field across which Hays chatged, and let's say that's 12:00. If you look to the right - to about 2:00, you'll see a rise there, with a rather flat top. That's Stephen's Knoll. There was Union artillery on the knoll that day, firing cannister into the left flank of Hay's men. It was hell on earth in that area that day, no doubt. What's great about being on that knoll is that you're looking at the field from the side rather than straight on. You can really see the deep dips and rises Hay's men had to contend with. You don't really see that looking at it straight on.


EDIT: Apologies Doc, I'm spelling it wrong - it's Steven's Knoll. Check THIS LINK.

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Thanks, the spelling of Stephens Knoll threw me, same as Steven's Knoll to the right flank of the 33 Ma. Yep, been there numerous times. You're right, they were able to really give it to Archers and Hays troops from their left flank. As far as this thread goes for quotes and since Ben Hur is currently on "Ramming Speed"

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In my way of thinking nothing could be worse than to be a slave on a Roman Galleon.

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 Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 02:44 am
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Furthermore, the July 2 attack on ECH was done in fading daylight and ended in darkness, no doubt adding to the horror for both sides. In my estimation, it was the first and only decent ground for defense the 153rd had in its 9-month enlistment.

Doc C,

If you remember where the football field is at the G-burg Middle School, the concession stand on the visitor's side is supposedly the area where Col. Isaac Avery was wounded in the neck, riding on horseback, and where he wrote a note to his second-in-command: "Major: Tell my father I died with my face to the enemy."

A compelling quote.

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My 50 year old GGGF, a private in the 8th LA, made his last charge as a Confederate up Cemetery Ridge that night with Hays. Afterwards, he was assigned to the Confederate equivalent of the Invalid Corps for the rest of the war.

For Pvt. Clewell: Why was a Louisiana Man risking his life in an insignificant/indecisive theater like the east ;)

For Doc another Ben Hur quote: "We keep you alive to serve this ship, row well and live." I was watching too last night, all the special effects in the world could never improve on the Chariot Race scene- an awesome scene and movie.

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Why was a Louisiana Man risking his life in an insignificant/indecisive theater like the east?

Hmmm, let me think — maybe because it wasn't so insignificant? ;)

I wonder if our relatives faced each other? Pfanz says the 8th LA likely was on the left of Hays' brigade, which to me meant it could have brushed up against the 153rd when it swung into ECH. I think the 153rd might have faced elements of the 6th NC as well. Does your research reveal anything?

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Hmmm... David's ancestors facing my ancestors on the battlefield. Boy, does that explain a lot! +_=+++

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 Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 11:48 pm
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I'm alittle out of the loop, though I like the way this conversation is going. I'm out of the loop because by the time the 153rd was taking the attack from Hays, etc., my ancestor was either still lying wounded on Barlow's Knoll or at a hospital somewhere in town. I have walked East Cemetary Hill and Stevens Knoll, though, in the interest of following the 153rd's path. It's not exactly a well-visited part of the battlefield, which was fine with me. I'm sure there were folks standing over at the T-shirt store thinking, "What's that woman doing walking around over THERE?"

On the subject of hospitals, can anyone give me an idea where I can find where the wounded of the 153rd PA were taken on July 1?

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