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 Posted: Fri Mar 3rd, 2006 04:15 pm
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I read at another site in a post that a particular fellow didn't think that the Battle of Wilson's Creek near Springfield Missouri on August 10, 1861 was a "important" or major battle.

I beg to differ.

It was the second major battle of the war, the first General was killed, a major battle in a deeply divided state, had a 16% casualty rate, it showed the ineffectiveness General John C Fremont, and with a southern victory it provided provided guerrilla bands with a cause celebre for which they subjected the area to years of bushwhacking, arson, raiding and murder.

Was it important? Absolutely. Wilsons Creek offered a glimpse early on of the carnage that was about to be unfolded over the next three years of Civil War.



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 Posted: Fri Aug 11th, 2006 08:17 pm
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ok standing up for my home state , If i remember right wasn't Wilson' S Creek  were the first US Gen. was killed that makes it important plus the casualty rate. But after reflection is one battlefeild or skirmish site more important than others , if its Gettysburg or Little Blue Ford if men died there its important.



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Actually, I believe General Robert Garnett was the first General killed in the war on the retreat from Rich Mt. in July, 1861.

Edit: Although in your first post you just say "first general", I see now that you later say "first US General", so nevermind :?

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  Man javal mad me jump made me jump that was quick,, are you bored at work too wait here comes the boss..............



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Wilson's Creek was important also for the fact that it produced future leaders and General's, both north and south, in the years/tear's to come.



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Wilson's Creek was important also for the fact that it produced future leaders and General's, both north and south, in the years/tear's to come.



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The death of Gen Lyon alone makes the battle important to the Trans-Mississippi theater and the war as a whole.  He had shown the ability to lead his men agressively - both at Booneville and in the lead up to and battle at Wilson's Creek.  His ackowledgement that to stay on the defensive in Springfield was to court disaster and to decide to go on the offensive wins him points in my book.

His major short-coming appeared to be logistics, but I think that was the case for many of the commanders at this stage of the war.

 

BTW - am planning to be out to Wilson's Creek and Pea Ridge over Labor Day.



 Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2007 08:57 pm
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traygreen,

Welcome to the board. Just visited your website - what a very cool idea! Hope it takes off for you...



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TY - the Bulge went well and we are full for Normandy this year.  I am hoping to post some pictures here on Monday or Tuesday.  Monday if I come straight home, Tuesday if I stop in Oklahoma for Homey Springs and Cabin Creek.

Actually planning Tennessee Valley in '09 - should start scouting in Nov with a couple of trips.  My brother-in-law used to live in Nashville so hopefully he can help out.

Where in TN are you from?

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Tray -

I'm exactly 1/2 way between Nashville and Memphis (5 miles from Parker's Crossroads). If there's anything we can do to help out, let me know.



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Definitely will.  We have a rough plan mapped out which will run through the N/S corridor Ft Donelson - Shiloh.  We will be looking to fill up 6-7 days and are always looking for local experts.  One thing that drew me to this board was the number of active members that reference working in  the historical field esp on the battlefields.

I'm new to this boards - obviously.  Mainly post on historical gaming boards & Armchair General, but liked what I saw here so signed up after lurking a bit.

Feel free to contact me on or off board (address on the website) with any thoughts or suggestions you might have.  My brother-in-law has been to quite a few of the stops we are looking at, but most over 5-7 years ago.  We are definitely going to need a couple of site visits to get up to speed.  I have a staff  ride document or two to begin with, but will also need to (my wife would groan) buy some more maps and books and likely spend 2+ weeks scouting over the next year :) - rough work.

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Just go back from my Labor Day weekend trip and had a great time.  I will shortly - tody or tomorrow - post some pics from the other stops, but here are a few from Wilson's Creek.

Wilsons Creek - photo taken from the modern bridge by Price's HQ.  The rebel army was camped for about 1 mile along this portion of the creek.



 

Reconstruction of Price's HQ.  Bloody Hill is in the background.  Wilsons Creek is to the left of the frame.



 

One of the few memorial's on the battlefield, the marker is claimed to actually be at the site of his wounding earlier in the day while with the 1st Iowa.



 

Sigel arrived on the high ground in the rear of the photo and to the South.  Placing his cannon on the ridge, he bombarded the rebel encampment then advanced to this position along the wire road.  On Monday, they had a cannon firing demonstration at this location.  I should be posting a movie file in the next couple of days.


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TG.. cool pics and site sounds like a interesting tour glad to see an interest in the western theatre



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Tr welcome to the board, brought back memories of my visit to Wilson's Creek.  The two times I have been I have pretty much had the fields to myself. 

 

You mentioned going a middle Tennessee trip.  Get yourself a copy of Eric Jacobson's For Cause & for Country  about the Spring Hills, Franklin battles.  It is outstanding.  Many of us on here read it before we did a muster there this past June.  We had Eric as one of our two tour guides, the other was Tom Cartwright from the Carter House.  Javal came to the last night of the muster. Was such a treat to meet him and Laurie in person. 

Susan

There is also a new book out of Shiloh many of us purchased last June also .  I have not gotten to it yet to read, but everyone that has raves about it.  Ted Savas published it , I for the life of me right now can't remember the Author, I think it is Cunningham,  Title is Shiloh  .  Hope that is right Someone help with the author and title .

 

 



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Susan,

The book is "Shiloh and the Western Campaign of 1862" by O. Edward Cunningham. He wrote it in 1966 for his Ph.D. but never published it. Former Shiloh Ranger Tim Smith and Gary Joiner edited the manuscript and Savas published it.

An excellent book.

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Thanks Tom, the book is over on the shelf. I bought my copy at Shiloh last June.  I was too lazy to get up and go look.  Hope things are well in Corinth at that wonderful visitors center.  The bookstore there is a good one too .  You would have laughed at the stack I walked out with.  Lady in the bookstore was really nice . No it wasn't Nita, I asked.

Take care,

Susan

 



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"Shiloh and the Western Campaign of 1862" is excellent.

Thanks for the reference to Jacobson's "For Cause & for Country".  We are in the process of deciding what our next ACW trip will be.

RE Wilson's Creek.  I had a blast.  Was there over Labor Day weekend so there were a few folks around.  Most of the traffic was on the road and the trails were pretty clear.  Walked everything but the cornfield.



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 Posted: Fri Sep 21st, 2007 06:19 am
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Ks how does one aquire a Natty Fan?  I would love to have one .

Susan



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