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 Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2014 05:35 am
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I've been studying and pondering that cataclysm for decades, and have matured a series of conclusions as to what almost happened to us. Namely, the United States would have "perished from the earth," and the world would have entered "a new dark age."

I offer a thorough explanation for this view in my public-service blog, "Civic Mentor ~~ Bulletins." The actual article's name is the same as the subject line, above.

If you would like to check it out, here is the URL (just click it, below -- this is a not-for-profit blog):

http://vnylcitygov.blogspot.com/2014/06/a-new-age-of-darkness-if-united-states.html

Please take a look, come back, and tell me what you think. I'm sincerely interested. Thanks

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1. By the time I had worked through numerous re-writes of that article (up until this very moment), I finally came to realize that I had allowed too much personal anger to creep in. I didn't mean for that to happen -- and I hope I have fixed that mistake. The issues are too big for that -- they were what they were -- and our ancestors did what they did -- under the force of their particular situations -- and that's that.

2. Fate has its own agenda -- and it orchestrated this huge upheaval for its own ends. Fortunately, I believe, it worked to our great advantage, this time.

3. I thought I was writing as objectively as I could, under the pressures of intense patriotic feeling. But I now realize that it was counterproductive to leave-in harshly judgmental words in the article's conclusion. Who am I to hold myself up as final judge?

4. We are "all children of circumstance." To change the "child," then change the circumstance -- if it can be changed. That's the only way we can ever become better (or worse) than what we are. The war was one such change in circumstance which produced an even better "child."

5. We, as our ancestors were, each are the sum-total of everything that has ever happened to us -- no more and no less. We do and did our best, as circumstance permits and enables. Not everyone can be right at the same time. Perhaps, none can be, entirely. It always depends on the situation that contains us.

6. WE ALL MATTER TO ONE ANOTHER IN THIS PARTICULAR WORLD. From the day any of us were born, the world changed -- for better or worse -- but change it did. We all matter in what we think and do -- or not think and do. Our every act -- small or large, good or bad --ricochets along the great human network -- changing things for better or worse -- far beyond any horizon we will ever get to see -- for long after we have even forgotten that we so-acted.

7. I'm hoping that what I left in place will be sufficient to convey what I think that war means -- to improve our common circumstance, at least a little. That my words will help widen and deepen any reader's appreciation of that war's role in the GREAT HUMAN CHAIN-REACTION which connects the very first humans to the very last ones.

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 Posted: Mon Jun 9th, 2014 08:31 pm
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Can anyone else think of any other reasons why it is incredibly good fortune that the US won that war?



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Decian wrote:
Can anyone else think of any other reasons why it is incredibly good fortune that the US won that war?

On occasion I think modern Americans have forgotten about charity and justice, faith in God. Your founding declarations can never be renounced; the world won't allow it.



 Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2014 07:53 pm
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The lists, sir?! :/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCSzL5-SPHM



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Thanks for your responses, "wondering." I'm not quite clear on your meanings, though. Especially the last -- what "lists?" Would you explain?



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Aye, sir. The American Civil War was fought for a reason. Mankind cannot bear the back of the Great Republic turned, even if sayso puts me on "the list". Like it or not, for over two centuries the United States has had a responsibility more than to itself. The beacon of your forefathers must not be lost, nor their weighty charge.



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Thank you, sir. It seems that our destiny is as secure as fate allows. But fate has its own agenda.

No telling how it's all going to turn out -- but I think the chances would be so much better, if only we'd stop allowing the past to keep on hurting our unity and future.



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We are in agreement, good sir; trust the Creator to turn hearts (but keep our powder dry). ;)



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And my apologies, Decian. I have a tendency to channel Goldwater at times.

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

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Thanks for the great quote! I had long forgotten it, but it is a very apt and wise selection.)(90)



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   Fifty years ago, I was a Goldwater fan. I remember the campaign theme: "In your heart, you know hes right."

   One day during the 1964 campaign, I was watching a Goldwater rally on TV. I had to laugh when a small plane flew over. It was towing a sign that read: "In your guts, you know hes nuts."

   There is a lot less humor in the culture today. The forces of Political Correctness are firmly entrenched, and people seem to be looking for any excuse that they can imagine to feel insulted.

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Bullseye, Defender, such a humorous and entrepreneurial stunt today warrants Congressional investigation. I yearn for that era, boots one at a time, saving for stuff wanted. With the bucks now it can never happen, yet I still dream an independent may drift off the plains, Lincolnesque, an eater of fire.



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   I believe that we are of a like mind. Patience is a virtue lost by most of today's society. The idea of saving money or working for a long time to achieve a goal seems out of fashion in a culture used to seeing all of life's problems solved by the end of a 30 or 60 minute TV program.

   I would also say that the dream you expressed is likely to remain only a dream, since I believe that the two major political parties have set up a system that makes the rise of a viable third party virtually (if not completely) impossible.



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Never say never -- an old soldier on a dark horse could do it. :)



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