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| Posted: Wed Mar 21st, 2007 09:19 pm |
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64thNYDrummer Member
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This painting which was the subject of a recent trivia question caused me to think about it for a couple of days, with a vague feeling that something was not right. Then it came to me---The subject of the painting must have been a deserter, for if he had been paroled he would have been relieved of his weapon. I guess the artist would claim that he had to depict his subject with the weapon in order to get his message across, or some such, maybe I am being overly picky but the lack of historical accuracy did disturb me. Dennis Conklin
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 03:32 pm |
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David White Member 
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Maybe he picked up a new weapon on his long way home, especially if he was traveling through dangerous territory like Missouri or Texas.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 03:59 pm |
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64thNYDrummer Member
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Good point, I like that better than my deserter hypothis Dennis Conklin
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 07:59 pm |
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JoanieReb Member
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Berry and Blackwood Benson, two brothers, served with the Confederacy from Fort Sumter to Appomattox, starting when they were 18 and 16 years of age, respectively. That is, if you don't count the times one or the other was convalescing or imprisoned in Yankee prison camps –or the very few, short leaves each took. When they realized that Lee was going to surrender at Appomattox, they slipped away to join Joe Johnston. When they found “Fighting Joe” (hmmm, I thought his specialty was the strategic retreat, for which I have great respect, so this is in no way a derogatory comment) on the brink of surrender, they turned around and went home without ever surrendering their rifles. Berry's "never surrendered” old Enfield in on display somewhere - I don't have my copy of Berry Benson's Civil War Book: Memoirs of a Confederate Scout and Sharpshooter with me right now, but probably somewhere in Augusta. Perhaps the dispirited soldier in the painting was, previously, one such spirited soldier himself, whom simply never surrendered his rifle..... Last edited on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 08:06 pm by JoanieReb |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 07:59 pm |
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JoanieReb Member
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Gosh Dern It - how does one get rid of a double post? My computer is over-sensitive right now, and if I am not very patient with it, it posts things twice! Joe, PLEASE HELP! Last edited on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 08:05 pm by JoanieReb |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 08:21 pm |
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medicboymatt Member 
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Yes, I saw an article within the past couple of months in one of the "Guns and Ammo" type magazines about that unsurrendered Enfield. As I recall, it's still owned by his descendants, and I believe they have loaned it to a museum. I'll see if I can't find the article.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 09:47 pm |
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ole Member 
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When they found “Fighting Joe” (hmmm, I thought his specialty was the strategic retreat, for which I have great respect, so this is in no way a derogatory comment) "Fighting Joe" was Hooker. Not sure, but I think JEJ was "Frightened Joe."  Ole
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 11:29 pm |
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JoanieReb Member
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Dear Lord, you are right, what was I thinking! I need serious punishment, now! Stockade, Barrel, Hanging by the thumbs? Bad Joanie! Last edited on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 11:44 pm by JoanieReb |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 11:54 pm |
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CleburneFan Member
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Joannie, you'll be sentenced to eating grits.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 11:59 pm |
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CleburneFan Member
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Regardless of the authenticity of the painting, I found the subject very sad. It really made me feel for the poor guy and wonder if he'll ever find his family and a hot cooked meal. "Lost Cause" is my definition of an outstanding painting because it does elicit a strong emotional response. It is hard not to be deep sympathy for that soldier. Civil War art is a very interesting area of Civil War studies all by itself. I envy those experts on "Antiques Roadshow" who specialize in Civil War artifacts, painting and sculpture.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23rd, 2007 01:52 am |
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ole Member
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Dear Lord, you are right, what was I thinking! I need serious punishment, now! Stockade, Barrel, Hanging by the thumbs? Bad Joanie! If you'd like. But I was thinking more along the lines of getting yourself a nice big dish of ice cream. You could then ponder the error of your ways with every spoonful. Ole 
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24th, 2007 02:42 am |
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susansweet Member 
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Fan , One of the books on my shelf is Civil War Art. It is an oversized coffee table book . One of my favorites to look at. I love Winslow Homer period, but some of his Civil war works are right up there as my most favorite. The one of the Confederate prisoners meeting the young Union officer <I think it is Barlow, is my favorite. I love those Rebs, their personalities just flow off the prints I have seen. Waud's pictures are also favorite. A friend introduced me to Waud's work last year. I do like some of the modern painters too. I posted last fall I had won a print of Jackson at Charlestown at the Civil War Round Table Conference. Still waiting to get a mat cut for it and framed. Always the same the picture is free in this case but the framing is expensive. I would love to have a print of the Homer picture but can't seem to find one to buy. Always thought having it and the photo of the three Confederate prisoners at Gettysburg together would be a nice grouping on a wall. Susan
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24th, 2007 05:55 am |
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JoanieReb Member
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"Joannie, you'll be sentenced to eating grits." "If you'd like. But I was thinking more along the lines of getting yourself a nice big dish of ice cream. You could then ponder the error of your ways with every spoonful." Ole Ms. Cleborne Fan and Mr. Ole, I thank you for your kindness here. But you cannot begin to understand the depths of my horror with myself. I always say, if you are going to "ef"up, "ef up" good. But, I try never to live up to that, myself. For me, this kind of utter brain failure is like, if I had been driving when this happened, they would be peeling me off the pavement right now, and hopefully, no one else would have gotten hurt! I will be confessing this sin of stupidity on my deathbed. Awhile back, I had to proof-read a manuscript (in order to get paid, LOL) and the author had made this exact mistake, along with many others. I sent him as sharp a retort as I could without losing my paycheck. I have no excuse. Except that I'd thrown my back out, and was discovering that pain medication goes well with red wine. And, now I know, not with multitasking. I hope that no one who knows me out there decides to blackmail me with this huge faux pas. Anyway, as pennance, I will stay home tomorrow (Saturday night) and write a defense of "Frightending Joe" (just mixing up the words there: my mistake with Ole's clever pun). I wonder what kind of wine goes well with writing a defense of Joe E. Johnston. I like a bold red wine for R. E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson; For Joe E, I am thinking perhaps a sweet, but complicated Germanic white? I'm not sure where his grandparents were from, but I've been looking forward to opening this particular bottle of wine for two years now. OH, the Punishment, can't I just have the barrel, tee-hee? Anyway, so as not to hijack this thread anymore, I will post my defense under a new thread title: "Mea culpa", and written in Ole's secret code. Dreading my Severe Punishment, but Deserving it, Joanie
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26th, 2007 07:54 pm |
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medicboymatt Member
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Joan, I wouldn't worry too much about your mistake. I know that your pretty little head is full of all kinds of data encompassing a wide variety of subjects. Under those circumstances, some "data bleed" is to be expected. Personally, I am occassionaly hard pressed to assign the proper name to the proper child or dog. Still, as a semi-professional Historical-type Person, you should be rerimanded in some fashion. You don't live too far from me; I could stop by, make you drink Rebel Yell bourbon, and serenade you on my guitar with some new compositions I have written in the "Emo" style that is so popular with the kids nowadays. I think that would be a fitting punishment.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2007 12:09 am |
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CleburneFan Member
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I'm not Joannie Reb and can't speak for her, but I would definitely say any "emo" style music would be severe punishment...even bordering on cruel and inhumane. Last edited on Tue Mar 27th, 2007 12:09 am by CleburneFan |
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