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 Posted: Wed May 2nd, 2007 05:03 pm
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Just finished reading an article which features a walking tour of the Civil War statues in our nation's capital. All the statues are of Union generals. I can understand the thinking at the time they were chosen, but I am just wondering, do any of you think a Confederate general should have a statue on the streets or in the parks of Washington?

If so, what Confederate general or generals would you suggest? Of course--Robert E Lee. Should he be the only one? Should he even be there at all?



 Posted: Wed May 2nd, 2007 05:31 pm
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CF-

There is actually one (if it hasn't been removed):

The Albert Pike Statue is located at 3rd and D Streets, N.W. in downtown Washington, D.C. It is administered by the National Park Service. Congress authorized the placement of a statue to Albert Pike on Federal land in Washington, D.C. on April 9, 1898, in Joint Resolution 20 (30 stat. 737). The Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, which Pike led for 32 years, sponsored and paid for the statue's erection, as recognition for his long service to the Scottish Rite. At the time of erection, the statue stood in front of the Scottish Rite House of the Temple. The enabling legislation does not refer to Pike's service in the Confederate Army.

http://www.masonicinfo.com/pikestatue.htm



 Posted: Wed May 2nd, 2007 05:36 pm
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That's interesting. I actually am not familiar with Mr. Pike. I'm going to look him up. He would make a great Trivia question, but, not for a few years as the cat is out of the bag now.:D



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Cleburne Fan Old Albert was like Winfried Scott , a large size man.  He would appear on the battlefield in his carriage.  At the Battle of Pea Ridge he was in command of the  Confederate Five Civilized Tribes .  It is quite a story. 

 



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   Albert Pike was one of the strangest characters in the war. Here is more on him from Jayne McCormick's Bits of Blue and Gray website:

 

Albert Pike February 2007



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Texas Defender, what an interesting article! Pike was kind of like Nostradamus!!!! Susan, I have to look up the Confederate Five Tribes. This is my first time to hear about them. So much to learn--so few hours in the day--so few days in the year.

Thanks to you both for the information about Pike.

Now, is there any other Confederate general who should be honored with a statue on Federal land in Washington, DC or should they not be so honored?



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Come to find out, I did know about four of the tribes...all the ones that begin with "C" and had thought it was remarkable that all these tribes fought along side Confederate troops. What I didn't know was that Florida's Seminole Indian tribe also fought along side the Confederates. That is amazing given that there had been not one, but two, bloody and acrimonious Seminole Indian Wars previous to the Civil War. In fact, these wars provided battle experience for soldiers who later fought in the Civil War.

Today, the Seminole Tribe of Florida has a much more profitable activity--running highly lucrative casinos, especially the Hard Rock Casinos and Hotels. The one located in Hollywood, FL is where Anna Nicole Smith left this veil of tears.



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   If you want a candidate who was a Confederate general but who might be honored by the US Government with a statue in WDC, why not the tiny but mighty Joseph Wheeler? He was one of two Confederate generals allowed to be buried in Arlington National Cemetery (The other being Marcus Wright).

   Wheeler was an 1859 graduate of West Point who commanded a corps of Confederate cavalry and became a lieutenant general at the age of 28. After the war, he served in the US Congress for several terms (He was Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, among other things).

   When the Spanish-American War broke out, he was commissioned a major general of volunteers. He commanded a cavalry division in Cuba (Which included a future president). His son, Joseph, Jr. (West Point Class of 1895) served on his staff. There is an amusing story that at San Juan , Cuba, the general reportedly exclaimed to his men: "Give those yankees hell now, Boys!"

   From Cuba he went to the Phillippines, where he commanded a brigade. He was made a brigadier general in the Regular Army, and later commanded the Department of the Lakes, before being retired in September of 1900.

   Here is more info on him:

Joseph "Fightin' Joe" Wheeler (1836 - 1906) - Find A Grave Memorial

 

Joseph Wheeler, Lieutenant General, Confederate States of America



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Texas Defender, I think your suggestion of Joe Wheeler is excellent. He must have been pretty well along in years when he fought in Cuba and the Philippines. It boggles my mind. I used to live in Manila and I know how exhausted I was after twenty-two hours of airports and airplanes in jumbo jets in business class just to fly from Miami to Manila via Chicago and Tokyo.

Wheeler had to SAIL on a rickity, rocking, cramped ship with few amenities and comforts. Then after days or weeks of ocean passage, he had to adapt to the tropical heat, typhoons, cloying humidity and risk of disease such as malaria and dengue fever (which I caught there). Again he would have few comforts.  I just don't see how he did it. Plus after his duty there, he had to come back the way he came. Utterly amazing man! 



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If you want to read an interesting book about all the tribes that fought in the Civil War  read Between Two Fires.  I can't right now remember the author's name.   We read it in book discussion about a year ago.  Interesting how many tribes were involved.  Of course Ely Parker in Grants Staff actually hand wrote the surrender terms.  He was a full blood Senneca from New York. 

off thread but related ,  when I was a little kid my mother taught me the five civilized tribes.   I can't remember when I didn't know them  I did have problems with S one as it didn't fit. 

Think about the Seminoles though fighting for the South.  They would fight along any one that was fighting against the US who took their land.  Of course some of those Confederate Generals were in the Seminole Wars.  Joe Johnston for one. 

 



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Giving some thought to the courageous Indians who fought in the Civil War especially the Seminoles. It just goes to show that your worst enemy turns out to be your best buddy when circumstances change a few years later.

Then, after the Civil War, Federal troops turn right around, go west , and start fighting Indians again!

I still get a kick out how much money Indians are making today with their casinos. Payback!



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   Laurence Hauptman wrote BETWEEN TWO FIRES: American Indians in the Civil War.

 

Amazon.com: BETWEEN TWO FIRES: American Indians in the Civil War: Books: Laurence M. Hauptman



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Statuary Hall has many Confederates  but don't tell anyone they might start taking them out . 

Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, Wade Hampton, Kirby Smith, Joe Wheeler , Jabez Curry, James George, Alexander Stephens , Edward White.  



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I would vote for Stand !!!!



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Makes me wonder. Are there any statues honoring native Americans in Washington, DC.?

Got to wonder if the "statue committee" would appreciate the fact that Watie was the LAST Confederate general to stand down. He does represent a compelling combination of Confederate and Indian officer.

His story would make a good movie.

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There are several Indians and some are women in statuary   hall  Po'pay for New Mexico. Will Rogers , Oklahoma, Sakakawea South Dakota, Sequoyah Oklahoma, Washakie Wyoming, Sarah Winnemucca Nevada



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